villa4europe Posted January 19, 2022 Share Posted January 19, 2022 5 hours ago, OutByEaster? said: The closest peer to Suarez would I guess be Jamie Vardy, they're almost exactly the same age. Now Suarez is a better player, but if you look at Vardy this season the signs of decline are there and it wouldn't be too much of a surprise to see him call it a day at the end of the term. It's eight years since Suarez left Liverpool, Paul Lambert was our manager, if that's the Suarez you're thinking of, then I'm sorry, that isn't the Suarez we'd be getting. Straight to Vegas in the summer, good plan - via a season in Aston, bad plan. He's scored 228 goals in those 8 years... We'd have to manage him but he's more than good enough for 18 months / 1year still at this age Whether or not you want him here because he's a massive word removed is something else Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheAuthority Posted January 19, 2022 VT Supporter Share Posted January 19, 2022 The real question is, can he play DM? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
romavillan Posted January 19, 2022 VT Supporter Share Posted January 19, 2022 Just now, TheAuthority said: The real question is, can he play DM? ha, pretty much what I just said in the suarez thread, he's not going to fix the CB or DM positions is he? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheAuthority Posted January 19, 2022 VT Supporter Share Posted January 19, 2022 1 minute ago, romavillan said: ha, pretty much what I just said in the suarez thread, he's not going to fix the CB or DM positions is he? When folks on here talk about fixing CB are we saying replace Mings? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DakotaVilla Posted January 19, 2022 Share Posted January 19, 2022 We need two CBs. One right footed to cover/challenge Konsa and one to upgrade Mings and he can then be the left footed cover. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
phily85 Posted January 19, 2022 Share Posted January 19, 2022 For a year I'm all for it brings an edge to the team that we need.an elite mentality Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KangarooVillan Posted January 19, 2022 Share Posted January 19, 2022 25 minutes ago, DakotaVilla said: We need two CBs. One right footed to cover/challenge Konsa and one to upgrade Mings and he can then be the left footed cover. I’m still very confused why people want to replace Mings. 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post JAMAICAN-VILLAN Posted January 19, 2022 Popular Post Share Posted January 19, 2022 (edited) 1 hour ago, TheAuthority said: When folks on here talk about fixing CB are we saying replace Mings? For me, it's more replace Engels/Tuanzebe and Hause if he is off. Ming's has his faults, but replacing him is nowhere near a priority imo. Management could see it differently though. Edited January 19, 2022 by JAMAICAN-VILLAN 9 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tomav84 Posted January 19, 2022 VT Supporter Share Posted January 19, 2022 1 hour ago, KangarooVillan said: I’m still very confused why people want to replace Mings. i still believe it's a vocal minority but we do need another CB. we have only one back up CB and he's not very good Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vive_La_Villa Posted January 19, 2022 Share Posted January 19, 2022 7 hours ago, OutByEaster? said: The closest peer to Suarez would I guess be Jamie Vardy, they're almost exactly the same age. Now Suarez is a better player, but if you look at Vardy this season the signs of decline are there and it wouldn't be too much of a surprise to see him call it a day at the end of the term. It's eight years since Suarez left Liverpool, Paul Lambert was our manager, if that's the Suarez you're thinking of, then I'm sorry, that isn't the Suarez we'd be getting. Straight to Vegas in the summer, good plan - via a season in Aston, bad plan. Could he be signed by Vegas and loaned out to Villa? Would that be allowed ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MentalM Posted January 19, 2022 Share Posted January 19, 2022 58 minutes ago, JAMAICAN-VILLAN said: Ming's has his faults, but replacing him is nowhere near a priority imo. I also think replacing Mings is not something that can be done easily. He is the clear leader in our team, and to get someone to take that role the person needs to be in the club for some time. Its not just as easy getting Pau Torres to do the job, then we got no leadership... 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tomav84 Posted January 19, 2022 VT Supporter Share Posted January 19, 2022 1 minute ago, MentalM said: I also think replacing Mings is not something that can be done easily. He is the clear leader in our team, and to get someone to take that role the person needs to be in the club for some time. Its not just as easy getting Pau Torres to do the job, then we got no leadership... i don't think it can be done full stop. not sure who these better CBs are who are better than him that folks think we could attract 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vive_La_Villa Posted January 19, 2022 Share Posted January 19, 2022 (edited) In the 2 games we had to play without Mings we conceded 3 ridiculously soft goals. I reckon we would have won those games had he been been playing. It’s no coincidence Hause plays better alongside Mings than he does Konsa even though they are both left footed. Edited January 19, 2022 by Vive_La_Villa 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post The Moustache of Teale Posted January 19, 2022 Popular Post Share Posted January 19, 2022 Replacing Mings would be madness. We’ve seen that with the right defensive midfield cover (the resurgence of Marv under Gerrard), as a defensive unit we can be tight and don’t concede too many. Centre-back is about partnerships, and without the leadership and dominance of Mings, Konsa isn’t the same player. Their styles and qualities complement each other. The understanding between centre-back pairings is something that develops over time; not something we should be messing with at this stage of the season. Priority should be a capable back-up now that Axel is gone. 4 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DakotaVilla Posted January 19, 2022 Share Posted January 19, 2022 1 hour ago, KangarooVillan said: I’m still very confused why people want to replace Mings. No top 6 team would buy Tyrone from us as a starter. After the DMC position has been resolved he will be next first team player to be replaced. It won’t be easy and will be expensive as there are many positives that he brings but there are undoubtedly better overall players available for that position. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tomav84 Posted January 19, 2022 VT Supporter Share Posted January 19, 2022 1 minute ago, DakotaVilla said: No top 6 team would buy Tyrone from us as a starter. After the DMC position has been resolved he will be next first team player to be replaced. It won’t be easy and will be expensive as there are many positives that he brings but there are undoubtedly better overall players available for that position. disagree. he gets in the man u team IMO (if we're talking the scum 6 rather than current top 6). spurs too probably. and he walks into the arsenal team. nathan ake still gets games for city and mings is the better defender in fact i'd say chelsea is the only side in the league where mings struggles to get a game 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
brummybloke Posted January 19, 2022 Share Posted January 19, 2022 8 hours ago, OutByEaster? said: The closest peer to Suarez would I guess be Jamie Vardy, they're almost exactly the same age. Now Suarez is a better player, but if you look at Vardy this season the signs of decline are there and it wouldn't be too much of a surprise to see him call it a day at the end of the term. It's eight years since Suarez left Liverpool, Paul Lambert was our manager, if that's the Suarez you're thinking of, then I'm sorry, that isn't the Suarez we'd be getting. Straight to Vegas in the summer, good plan - via a season in Aston, bad plan. Vardy is all about speed. If he has lost that first 1/2 yard burst of acceleration then he is less effective. Add in recovery times being greater the older he gets each time he does make a run then for Leicesters style of play, he becomes less of a threat. Suarez was never about raw speed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Laughable Chimp Posted January 19, 2022 Share Posted January 19, 2022 3 minutes ago, tomav84 said: disagree. he gets in the man u team IMO (if we're talking the scum 6 rather than current top 6). spurs too probably. and he walks into the arsenal team. nathan ake still gets games for city and mings is the better defender in fact i'd say chelsea is the only side in the league where mings struggles to get a game There's a difference between being a starter and getting games here and there. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DakotaVilla Posted January 19, 2022 Share Posted January 19, 2022 17 minutes ago, tomav84 said: disagree. he gets in the man u team IMO (if we're talking the scum 6 rather than current top 6). spurs too probably. and he walks into the arsenal team. nathan ake still gets games for city and mings is the better defender in fact i'd say chelsea is the only side in the league where mings struggles to get a game If they wanted him they would already have bought him or been linked with him. He’s never been linked with any of them for a reason. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tomaszk Posted January 19, 2022 Share Posted January 19, 2022 14 minutes ago, DakotaVilla said: No top 6 team would buy Tyrone from us as a starter. After the DMC position has been resolved he will be next first team player to be replaced. It won’t be easy and will be expensive as there are many positives that he brings but there are undoubtedly better overall players available for that position. Plucking a few names from sides above us, he's a better centre half than Maguire, Lindelof, Stones, White, Dier, Sanchez, Dawson, anyone at wolves. And I don't think he's all that. There's some right dross about. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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