CVByrne Posted January 10, 2023 Share Posted January 10, 2023 1 hour ago, Keyblade said: I think it's because of the predatory practices of these companies as well as some of the shady financial stuff that they're involved in. Are any football clubs sponsored by Financial Institutions? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OutByEaster? Posted January 10, 2023 Moderator Share Posted January 10, 2023 1 minute ago, CVByrne said: Are any football clubs sponsored by Financial Institutions? Liverpool have Standard Chartered Bank. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MrBlack Posted January 10, 2023 Share Posted January 10, 2023 No other website seems to have the details, and the paywall prevents me from seeing it. Are telegraph speculating or do they give concrete sources? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Demitri_C Posted January 10, 2023 Share Posted January 10, 2023 The article clearly says its "unclear" if this is the shirt sponser at this stage so lets relax until its confirmed Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
deeps Posted January 10, 2023 Share Posted January 10, 2023 This better be BS. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Don_Simon Posted January 10, 2023 Share Posted January 10, 2023 Why do they keep do things that piss me off? Our image and our standing are, (were), one of the few things I thought that stood us apart. This shit can just **** right off. Can't stand it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MrBlack Posted January 10, 2023 Share Posted January 10, 2023 1 hour ago, Don_Simon said: Why do they keep do things that piss me off? Our image and our standing are, (were), one of the few things I thought that stood us apart. This shit can just **** right off. Can't stand it. Agreed. Dodgy white label Chinese gambling sponsor was basically money laundering. This is getting in bed with complete scum. Even as a sleeve sponsor, it's not acceptable. A whole lot of football is "the big 6 do it so we have to". The diving, faking/forcing contact, time wasting, harassing refs, all the shit things in football are done by the teams that win everything. Factor in the greater squad ability and size they have, you're never going to beat them playing fairly. The money they make is similarly ill gotten, and thanks to FFP, you again have no choice but to do those same dodgy deals to get even close to their level of income. It sucks. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rodders0223 Posted January 11, 2023 Share Posted January 11, 2023 Got to pay for all the money Purslow has wasted the past 2 years. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bobzy Posted January 11, 2023 Share Posted January 11, 2023 20 hours ago, JAMAICAN-VILLAN said: I might be " tone deaf " myself, but can someone explain the hate for betting companies to me? Is it because people get addicted to gambling? If so, people also get addicted to alchohol ( for example ), yet it is served at stadiums and people don't have a problem with them being sponsors or promoted. Alchohol is a millions times worse than any betting could be. Is there PROPER justification or is this extreme virtue signaling? Genuine questions as i don't get it. Outside of the shady nature previously mentioned, gambling addiction ruins lives. Alcoholism ruins lives. Smoking ruins lives. We have also banned clubs being sponsored by companies who sell these products. 20 hours ago, JAMAICAN-VILLAN said: Is there PROPER justification or is this extreme virtue signaling? EXTREME VIRTUE SIGNALLING. **** hell Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JAMAICAN-VILLAN Posted January 11, 2023 Share Posted January 11, 2023 (edited) 1 hour ago, bobzy said: Outside of the shady nature previously mentioned, gambling addiction ruins lives. Alcoholism ruins lives. Smoking ruins lives. We have also banned clubs being sponsored by companies who sell these products. EXTREME VIRTUE SIGNALLING. **** hell Yeah a couple of people answered my initial post, which gave me some better perspective. Here's my little mental dilemma though: I get that gambling is addictive, but to me, that's more of a " choice " based addiction. Whereas things like alcohol and tobacco, are chemically addictive, and literally kill people and destroy families. Moving the money laundering and shell for criminal activity elements aside, we could drop many things into the category of gambling which " ruins lives ". For example, you could argue that things like Forex trading, Crypto and day trading are addictive, and can ruin lives if people are irresponsible and lose all their money, but would people be upset if a Forex or Crypto company sponsored us for example? So i'd be inclined to put gambling in that category personally. We are essentially demonising an industry due to some people not being able to control themselves. ( IMO ) Now, the fact that people have such a strong opinion on it, tells me there is obviously more to it, which i simply don't know or claim to. Note that I haven't read any of the articles about the issues with this company we are supposedly getting in bed with as it's behind a paywall. If Norwich cut them off for moral reasons though, obviously it's telling. Edited January 11, 2023 by JAMAICAN-VILLAN Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bobzy Posted January 11, 2023 Share Posted January 11, 2023 1 minute ago, JAMAICAN-VILLAN said: Yeah a couple of people answered my initial post, which gave me some better perspective. Here's my little mental dilemma though: I get that gambling is addictive, but to me, that's more of a " choice " based addiction. Whereas things like alcohol and tobacco, literally kill people and destroys families. Moving the money laundering and shell for criminal activity elements aside, we could drop many things into the category of gambling which " ruins lives ". For example, you could argue that things like Forex trading, Crypto and day trading are addictive, and can ruin lives if people are irresponsible and lose all their money, but would people be upset if a Forex or Crypto company sponsored us for example? So i'd be inclined to put gambling in that category personally. Now, the fact that peiople have such a strong opinion on it, tells me there is obviously more to it, which i simply don't know or claim to. It's as much of a choice as drinking or smoking are. However, in many respects, I think gambling addiction is worse and less supported. The link between gambling addiction and suicide is only increasing and the amount of debt people are getting into is scary. This isn't just their money, it's their family's money. The impact is huge. Bookies are very easily able to identify people with potential problems. They could seek to help, but they don't. Instead, they offer free bets, encourage the customer to lose even more money and put all of the onus on the customer to apply limits themselves - which is just so rarely going to happen if they're addicted. Carlsberg aren't going to e-mail me offering a free pint if I purchase another 2 pints off them - bookies do. It's an entirely exploitative industry. You can gamble any time, any where. It's glamorised and constantly accessible. What's more, you can hide it away. You can't hide away being drunk or having smoked, but you could secretly gamble and no-one would have a clue. The fact that you've said it's "extreme virtue signalling" highlights the size of the problem that it is. This isn't like investing money and losing it. It's nothing like Crypto trading. (And, yes, I think people would very much be against a Crypto sponsor) 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Tomaszk Posted January 11, 2023 Popular Post Share Posted January 11, 2023 I'll be honest I don't care about this sponsorship. If it's provides Villa with money and allows us to improve, fine. The moral horse left the barn a long time ago in football. If we don't make this deal, someone else will. Not like we'll solve a problem by not agreeing a deal. Gay hating owners have won about 15 trophies in the last 10 years. Literal serial murderers own the team that's going to be competing with them until the super league happens. Take the on-the-pitch enjoyment you can in spite of the shite background stuff. 6 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ender4 Posted January 11, 2023 Share Posted January 11, 2023 (edited) 3 hours ago, JAMAICAN-VILLAN said: If Norwich cut them off for moral reasons though, obviously it's telling. Norwich didn’t drop them because of their core business. They were only dropped after a large outcry by their fanbase due to their website having lots of scantily clad & semi-nude ladies edit - I assume they’ve smartened up their website since! Edited January 11, 2023 by ender4 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pas5898 Posted January 11, 2023 Share Posted January 11, 2023 3 minutes ago, ender4 said: Norwich didn’t drop them because of their core business. They were only dropped after a large outcry by their fanbase due to their website having lots of scantily classes & semi-nude ladies We can be sponsored by Pornhub if they stop charging £50 quid a ticket for Leicester at home 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Villaphan04 Posted January 11, 2023 Share Posted January 11, 2023 something that I've noticed with a ton of podcasts that I listen to over here stateside is that gambling in the US is just taking off. Almost every sport-related podcast I listen to is sponsored by some form of gambling place. & It's still only "legalized" in 30 out of 50 states 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post OutByEaster? Posted January 13, 2023 Moderator Popular Post Share Posted January 13, 2023 The Supporters Trust and Fans Consultation Group have released a statement today on the deal with BK8 and the concerns around it. This has been put to the club and to various press outlets. 6 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post OutByEaster? Posted January 13, 2023 Moderator Popular Post Share Posted January 13, 2023 As a note, Villatalk aren't listed among the signatories on that statement as we never assume the opinions of members and would not sign the site up without consulting through a poll. However, comments here have been noted and have formed part of the groundswell of evidence of opposition to this deal from supporters everywhere. 6 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The_Steve Posted January 13, 2023 Share Posted January 13, 2023 2 minutes ago, OutByEaster? said: As a note, Villatalk aren't listed among the signatories on that statement as we never assume the opinions of members and would not sign the site up without consulting through a poll. However, comments here have been noted and have formed part of the groundswell of evidence of opposition to this deal from supporters everywhere. Thank you for doing this. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MrBlack Posted January 13, 2023 Share Posted January 13, 2023 36 minutes ago, OutByEaster? said: As a note, Villatalk aren't listed among the signatories on that statement as we never assume the opinions of members and would not sign the site up without consulting through a poll. However, comments here have been noted and have formed part of the groundswell of evidence of opposition to this deal from supporters everywhere. Does the telegraph article say that the contract theyve seen is for a front of shirt sponsor? I thought it wasn't clear what the sponsorship arrangement was for? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OutByEaster? Posted January 13, 2023 Moderator Share Posted January 13, 2023 1 minute ago, MrBlack said: Does the telegraph article say that the contract theyve seen is for a front of shirt sponsor? I thought it wasn't clear what the sponsorship arrangement was for? The Telegraph are suggesting that - it's all a bit in the air though - this is the problem with commercial deals where the existing deal hasn't expired. I'm not sure whether the club would have preferred to respond to this as soon as the issue came to light, but they may be restricted due to the terms of the existing deal. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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