Tim Iroegbunam

[MWARLEY2]

1 minute ago, useless said:

He cropped up in the No.10 positon early on but for most of the game he's been playing deeper than he has been for QPR, but still playing very well, has made some cracking cross field passes and gone on some good driving runs, makes it look effortless the way he glides past players. QPR struggling in the final third though, seem to lack composure, they probably would be better served if they did push Iroegbunam further forward as he has been playing for them.

Theres an Archer shaped hole in the final third 

[useless]

I think either Beale or Gerrard is on record as saying that QPR wanted Archer in the summer, so if he's available in Janaury I imagine they will be interested and given how well Beale has done by Iroegbunam I would think they'd have a very good chance of getting Archer.

[Made In Aston]

1 hour ago, allani said:

Given where some of our players popped up on Sunday I would disagree.  Emery seems to like players being comfortable moving between "defined positions" depending on specific match situations - particularly in midfield (one of the analysis pieces I saw before the game talked about how Emery plays people in seemingly "odd" positions because the "system" is so fluid depending on the passage of play).  It looks like players who are as comfortable tracking back, as they are tackling, as they are on the ball, as they are driving past the striker will do really well in the UE "system".  So from that point of view if Tim is improving in all areas then it probably bodes well for us - all round midfielders look like being more important for us than specialists.

There is not one 'utility' player who is considered in the top 20 players in the world. There is a reason for that. Being a utility player hinders the individual from mastering a craft. 

[May-Z]

22 minutes ago, Made In Aston said:

There is not one 'utility' player who is considered in the top 20 players in the world. There is a reason for that. Being a utility player hinders the individual from mastering a craft. 

But, without looking, I'd hazard a fairly safe guess that nearly all of them spent time in slightly different positions across the first 20 professional games of their careers whilst they were bedding into adult football...

[MotoMkali]

33 minutes ago, Made In Aston said:

There is not one 'utility' player who is considered in the top 20 players in the world. There is a reason for that. Being a utility player hinders the individual from mastering a craft. 

Not strictly top 20 but probably top 50 players. Apart from pure 9s almost every single top midfielder or winger plays at least one other position to an excellent standard. 

De Bruyne - Plays as a 10 or 8,

Messi - played as a 10 or CF. Best to ever do it in both positions

Neymar - LW or 10

Ronaldo (whilst not currently) - ST or LW

Muller - 10, CF, ST

Kante - 6, 8

Mbappe - LW, ST

Bernardo Silva - RW, 10

Gundogan - 6, 8, 10, 9

Davies - LM, LB

Cancelo - RB, LB

Kimmich - CDM, 8, RB

Rodri - 6, 8, CB

Etc. 

[thunderball]

Absolutely see him alongside Kamara at some point next season. He really is a very, very hot prospect, and on track too.

[Made In Aston]

36 minutes ago, MotoMkali said:

Not strictly top 20 but probably top 50 players. Apart from pure 9s almost every single top midfielder or winger plays at least one other position to an excellent standard. 

De Bruyne - Plays as a 10 or 8,

Messi - played as a 10 or CF. Best to ever do it in both positions

Neymar - LW or 10

Ronaldo (whilst not currently) - ST or LW

Muller - 10, CF, ST

Kante - 6, 8

Mbappe - LW, ST

Bernardo Silva - RW, 10

Gundogan - 6, 8, 10, 9

Davies - LM, LB

Cancelo - RB, LB

Kimmich - CDM, 8, RB

Rodri - 6, 8, CB

Etc. 

Most of those players predominantly play in one position and are known to be experts at it. Neymar LW, de Bruyne 10,rodri 6,kante 6 for example. Yes they may have played in other positions occasionally but its not like one week they play CM and the next week is LB or DM. 

[Rightdm00]

Very funny that we have a  manager that plays a very fluid system and we are arguing that learning multiple positions while developing could be a bad thing. Of course it's a good thing. 

Gabriel Jesus played every position across the front 3 for City.  Now he is being lauded by Arsenal fans for his ability to facilitate the attack in all phases of play. 

Grealish started out as a winger, dropped into the midfield, played some CAM before eventually becoming a £100 million player as a left sided attacker.  

Thomas Mueller has played every attacking position known to man. Was elite at all of them. Was probably the best player on Germany's last 3 world cup teams. Lauded for his versatility, no one alive would consider his ability to play multiple positions a negative. 

[Zatman]

Actually on a Huddersfield forum checking what they think of Kesler but they had a Tim thread

Said he was brilliant in possession but lazy out of it that he doesnt like to run

[gwi1890]

4 minutes ago, Zatman said:

Actually on a Huddersfield forum checking what they think of Kesler but they had a Tim thread

Said he was brilliant in possession but lazy out of it that he doesnt like to run

Tall rangy players can look lazy but they cover alot of ground. Remember the Bentancur thread? 

[Zatman]

3 minutes ago, gwi1890 said:

Tall rangy players can look lazy but they cover alot of ground. Remember the Bentancur thread? 

They were naturally comparing him to Pogba

From the little bits I have seen at senior level I felt the opposite in his playing style compared to Chukwuemeka

[Tom13]

16 minutes ago, Zatman said:

Actually on a Huddersfield forum checking what they think of Kesler but they had a Tim thread

Said he was brilliant in possession but lazy out of it that he doesnt like to run

They said that in a good way though.

[villarule123]

Another player that Emery will take to another level. We're sorted in the DM spot for years, ironically the position we were struggling with a year ago. 

[Tomaszk]

9 minutes ago, Zatman said:

Actually on a Huddersfield forum checking what they think of Kesler but they had a Tim thread

Said he was brilliant in possession but lazy out of it that he doesnt like to run

I watched most of QPR Hudds. He's good. Potentially really really, 250 games for Villa, good. Getting this many games at this age is superb. Multiple positions is a bonus for me as well, but he didn't play 10 last night.

He does have that leisurely running style that can wind people up. Not an issue for me if he gets around the pitch.

In possession he's very composed, remarkably so. He'll need to quicken it up in the PL. He gets into a lot of semi-tussles when he barely keeps hold on the ball, he won't win 90% of them like he does in the Champ.

[useless]

He's not lazy, QPR games I've seen he covers a lot ground defensively and attacking, but out of possession he does have a sort of relaxed demeanor, you see him strolling around the pitch, but you can see he's reading the game and making sure he's aware of what's going on around him.

He moves when he needs to, if anything he can sometimes over do it, which is what sometimes leads to unnecessary fouls or bookings.

Midfielders can run all over the place, but that in of itself doesn't make them effective players, those types can often be all workrate but not much of anything else, going back a few years now, but I guess someone like Robbie Savage would be a classic example of such a player.

I only saw the first half but last night's game might have made it seem like he was putting in less work than usual, as for some reason QPR had him and Sam Field playing as two holding midfielders, which seemed strange to me as the game didn't really require two holding midfielders, they could have afforded to allow Iroegbunam to play more as a 'eight' as he's been mostly playing for them, but because he was sitting deep, and Huddersfield weren't attacking much he didn't have a lot to do out of possession.

Also on QPR playing him in multiple positions, it's not as if they've been playing him all over the place, they've played him either as a 'six' or as a 'eight', mostly as a 'eight', those are the two positions he's known for anyway, when we signed him Mark Harrison was quoted as saying he can play as a six or a eight, I watched him for Albion in the FA Youth Cup before we signed him and he was playing more as a eight for them.

[MWARLEY2]

1 minute ago, useless said:

He's not lazy, QPR games I've seen he covers a lot ground defensively and attacking, but out of possession he does have a sort of relaxed demeanor, you see him strolling around the pitch, but you can see he's reading the game and making sure he's aware of what's going on around him.

He moves when he needs to, if anything he can sometimes over do it, which is what sometimes leads to unnecessary fouls or bookings.

Midfielders can run all over the place, but that in of itself doesn't make them effective players, those types can often be all workrate but not much of anything else, going back a few years now, but I guess someone like Robbie Savage would be a classic example of such a player.

I only saw the first half but last night's game might have made it seem like he was putting in less work than usual, as for some reason QPR had him and Sam Field playing as two holding midfielders, which seemed strange to me as the game didn't really require two holding midfielders, they could have afforded to allow Iroegbunam to play more as a 'eight' as he's been mostly playing for them, but because he was sitting deep, and Huddersfield weren't attacking much he didn't have a lot to do out of possession.

Also on QPR playing him in multiple positions, it's not as if they've been playing him all over the place, they've played him either as a 'six' or as a 'eight', mostly as a 'eight', those are the two positions he's known for anyway, when we signed him Mark Harrison was quoted as saying he can play as a six or a eight, I watched him for Albion in the FA Youth Cup before we signed him and he was playing more as a eight for them.

Totally agree. As part of my huge interest in how tim is getting on i always check the line up pre match and in those he does tend to be given different positions almost game by game. But i don't have access to the Champ games so have to go by that. 

He has always had tons of energy but i think he is starting to read the game better now. As you say he uses it when he needs it . 

Those bursts of acceleration allied to his quick feet and huge ability to body swerve really do make him stand out. If we think about it he can make runs from midfield as quick as Jacob and hold a midfield like Kamara. Not a bad skillset to have . The only thing missing is goals but that will come i am sure as he is so strong off both feet. 

[MWARLEY2]

57 minutes ago, villarule123 said:

Another player that Emery will take to another level. We're sorted in the DM spot for years, ironically the position we were struggling with a year ago. 

Also got Bogarde below him as well that has a real chance at DM if he doesnt succumb to injury. 

[duke313]

5 minutes ago, MWARLEY2 said:

Also got Bogarde below him as well that has a real chance at DM if he doesnt succumb to injury. 

I thought he was a defender.

[Tom13]

5 minutes ago, duke313 said:

I thought he was a defender.

As did I.

[duke313]

3 minutes ago, Tom13 said:

As did I.

He's listed as such on the club website.