Mic09 Posted February 2, 2021 Share Posted February 2, 2021 2 hours ago, handsworthvilla said: Anybody else think Declan Rice is the most over-rated player in the league? I saw some nonsense about Chelsea preparing an £80m bid for him, so ever since I've been deliberately watching him closely in the West Ham games I've seen. I am completely baffled by what he is supposed to be so good at … other than a few inches in height I can't tell the difference between him and Ashley Westwood I actually like Westwood, he is an accomplished mid-lower table PL player and has been for years. Never claimed to be any better by media nor fans. But I really don't understand the Declan Rice hype. I have never seen him do anything "world class" or deserving of a high fee transfer. I much prefer Ward-Prowse, he is more vertisile and has a killer free kick. Is it because Rice plays for West Ham? Sure we are bias, but can anyone please try to objectively explain Declan Rice hype? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cb_82 Posted February 2, 2021 Share Posted February 2, 2021 2 hours ago, cb_82 said: I really like Rice, definitely would have him for us Doesnt have to be a replace, just part of the squad and competition, could easily play that Luiz role - Luiz hasnt been as good last 5-6 games for example so could replace or even play centre back which is where he started out 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
romavillan Posted February 2, 2021 VT Supporter Share Posted February 2, 2021 We owe this lot a good beating. They've been on a really good run of form though up till the last time out. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
El Zen Posted February 2, 2021 Share Posted February 2, 2021 56 minutes ago, Junxs said: Ah OK, thanks. I've never used that word in my life so I guess that why I've never figured it out! You need to watch a Jim Jefferies special 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steero113 Posted February 2, 2021 Share Posted February 2, 2021 On 30/01/2021 at 22:51, SuperTed said: Hope we win for obvious reasons but less obvious is I truly hate those dirty, smut gremlin, Wednesday Club porno dwarves and that slapper, jizzmonger, Brady. Will the real Jizzmonger please stand up. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
useless Posted February 2, 2021 Share Posted February 2, 2021 Don't care who plays, how they play, what formation we play, how many subs we make, who the opposition are, or what their form is like, just get those dear precious three points. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SuperTed Posted February 2, 2021 Share Posted February 2, 2021 1 hour ago, Steero113 said: Will the real Jizzmonger please stand up. I wonder if his schooldays in Holland were as painful as they would have been had he grown up in England with that name 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TRO Posted February 2, 2021 Share Posted February 2, 2021 9 hours ago, Herman22 said: I'm sure it's been mentioned before but West Ham are a team of giants from front to back. Dawson, Ogbonna, Soucek, Rice, Antonio will win headers but they also have players with good delivery. Cresswell, Bowen, Benrahma will get th ball in the box so we are going to have to defend so well to win this one. I will say it again....if SJM and Dougie dig deep and have good games.....we have a chance......we have to win that midfield. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kiwivillan Posted February 2, 2021 Share Posted February 2, 2021 5 hours ago, doaflip said: This, coupled with their strength from corners, may make it really tough for us. We will need to be at our most creative whilst finding a way to stand up to them on set pieces. Hmm I should check Dawson anytime goal scorer 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TRO Posted February 2, 2021 Share Posted February 2, 2021 (edited) 5 hours ago, Mic09 said: I actually like Westwood, he is an accomplished mid-lower table PL player and has been for years. Never claimed to be any better by media nor fans. But I really don't understand the Declan Rice hype. I have never seen him do anything "world class" or deserving of a high fee transfer. I much prefer Ward-Prowse, he is more vertisile and has a killer free kick. Is it because Rice plays for West Ham? Sure we are bias, but can anyone please try to objectively explain Declan Rice hype? I used to think that. Declan has presence, you either have it or you don't....He is not easily relieved of the ball, he has strength and power, in everything he does, he also has vision and awareness....He is not a quinntessential ball player with quick feet.....He is more of a Duncan Edwards type all strength and power....one of the best yound players of all time, was not noted for his quick feet.....He'll win his unfair share of aerial balls too,subsequently winning territory and gaining ground, it helps to secure the initiative and keeping the ball out of the faces at the back. He is so hard to shift off the ball and so difficult to play through....He gives West Ham that extra dimension of power and with the addition of Soucek, it just compounds that....when you have that in midfield, it gives the attackers confidence to play and not have to funnel back to defend....they can get on with what they do. In short he is a power House, like Yaya Toure to be more modern or Michael Ballack. Edited February 2, 2021 by TRO 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phil Silvers Posted February 2, 2021 Share Posted February 2, 2021 3 minutes ago, TRO said: I used to think that. Declan has presence, you either have it or you don't....He is not easily relieved of the ball, he has strength and power, in everything he does, he also has vision and awareness....He is not a quinntessential ball player with quick feet.....He is more of a Duncan Edwards type all strength and power....one of the best yound players of all time, was not noted for his quick feet.....He win his unfair share of aerial balls too,subsequently winning territory and gaining ground, it helps to secure the initiative and keeping the ball out of the faces at the back. He is so hard to shift off the ball and so difficult to play through....He gives West Ham that extra dimension of power and with the addition of Soucek, it just compounds that....when you have that in midfield, it gives the attackers confidence to play and not have to funnel back to defend....they can get on with what they do. In short he is a power House, like Yaya Toure to be more modern or Michael Ballack. I'd be inclined to play another mid, drop Traore and let Jack Ollie and Ross bamboozle them with some sexy football. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TRO Posted February 2, 2021 Share Posted February 2, 2021 (edited) 17 minutes ago, Phil Silvers said: I'd be inclined to play another mid, drop Traore and let Jack Ollie and Ross bamboozle them with some sexy football. me too. I have no idea of the fitness of Morgan....but if he was ok, I would be tempted to get him to join McGinn and Luiz....in a 4-3-3. Martinez Cash Konsa Mings Target McGinn Sanson Luiz Barkley Watkins Grealish with McGinn and Luiz helping the full backs in needed moments...The block must stay in synch, so they can't play through us....when a full back goes on the overplap, the one midfielder can drop back in temporarily....when we haven't got the ball we will look more compact. Edited February 2, 2021 by TRO 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phil Silvers Posted February 2, 2021 Share Posted February 2, 2021 3 minutes ago, TRO said: me too. I have no idea of the fitness of Morgan....but if he was ok, I would be tempted to get him to join McGinn and Luiz....in a 4-3-3. Martinez Cash Konsa Mings Target McGinn Sanson Luiz Barkley Watkins Grealish with McGinn and Luiz helping the full backs in needed moments. Yes, Cash must be fed up of doing so much overtime, SJM would help him a lot. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TRO Posted February 2, 2021 Share Posted February 2, 2021 1 minute ago, Phil Silvers said: Yes, Cash must be fed up of doing so much overtime, SJM would help him a lot. He is too exposed Phil....he is actually playing well, but needs some help. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
villalad21 Posted February 2, 2021 Share Posted February 2, 2021 I fear set pieces. They have massive height advantage and it's not much we can do about that. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kingman Posted February 2, 2021 Share Posted February 2, 2021 8 hours ago, cb_82 said: I really like Rice, And me with Beef curry, spare ribs and prawn crackers 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
smg Posted February 2, 2021 Share Posted February 2, 2021 1 hour ago, TRO said: me too. I have no idea of the fitness of Morgan....but if he was ok, I would be tempted to get him to join McGinn and Luiz....in a 4-3-3. Martinez Cash Konsa Mings Target McGinn Sanson Luiz Barkley Watkins Grealish with McGinn and Luiz helping the full backs in needed moments...The block must stay in synch, so they can't play through us....when a full back goes on the overplap, the one midfielder can drop back in temporarily....when we haven't got the ball we will look more compact. Can’t see Barkley in that position at all. He will drift inside leaving a huge space in front of McGinn or are you aware of a clause in his contract that says he has to play when fit ? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TRO Posted February 2, 2021 Share Posted February 2, 2021 22 minutes ago, smg said: Can’t see Barkley in that position at all. He will drift inside leaving a huge space in front of McGinn or are you aware of a clause in his contract that says he has to play when fit ? In such a case McGinn could fill that space.....I think with 2 wingers, we will be bullied in the middle....The game is dynamic, so we will play according to what duels we win or what territory/space we seize. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nigel Posted February 2, 2021 VT Supporter Share Posted February 2, 2021 Im really confident that we will win this game...that worries me itself! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VillaChris Posted February 2, 2021 Share Posted February 2, 2021 On 01/02/2021 at 15:46, One For The Road said: I know what you mean but I thought we showed tremendous steel at Southampton and I'm not at all concerned about us in that regard. Tough game tho. We will need to defend crosses and set pieces a little better is what OBE is referring to when you think how we conceded twice down there despite them hardly having an attack all night. Think it was a free header from an early corner and then right at the start of the second half we just let Benrahma have a little jog and cross and someone else headed it in. It was backs to the wall at Southampton but even then we needed an amazing Martinez save to keep out the free header from the corner near the end and that's a worry given they have Soucek and Dawson has scored from two corners in last two games. We don't want to go back to Burnley defensive standard in the second half of that just 7 days on so need to make sure we get the distances right when corners are being swung in. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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