alreadyexists Posted January 30, 2021 VT Supporter Share Posted January 30, 2021 3 minutes ago, est1874 said: Except he did - he moved his arm towards the ball. We wouldn't have been in any position to complain IMO if it had been given. He did when you view it at super slow mo, preying mantis speed, in real time it’s an absolute blur Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
est1874 Posted January 30, 2021 Share Posted January 30, 2021 (edited) 3 minutes ago, The_Steve said: Sky commentator acting like Cash moved his arm on purpose. He really didn't. How do you prove intent in a scenario like that? It's impossible. The ball is struck and then Cash moves his arm in its path... You can't predict what he's thinking in that moment; it's more than likely 100% instinctive, but it was a handball. Edited January 30, 2021 by est1874 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ender4 Posted January 30, 2021 Share Posted January 30, 2021 Just now, villa4europe said: One thing for sure if that wasn't given for us I would be absolutely **** apoplectic right now Yep agreed 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AVTuco Posted January 30, 2021 VT Supporter Share Posted January 30, 2021 Could we just win sometime again pls... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The_Steve Posted January 30, 2021 Share Posted January 30, 2021 Good block by Mings from Walcott's cross there. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hippo Posted January 30, 2021 Share Posted January 30, 2021 Do we need an alternative to fast triangles around the opposition box ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jim Posted January 30, 2021 Share Posted January 30, 2021 Very sloppy tonight. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
a m ole Posted January 30, 2021 Share Posted January 30, 2021 Cash was moving his arm away from the ball, not to it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CardiffGreens Posted January 30, 2021 Share Posted January 30, 2021 1 minute ago, villa4europe said: Honest question... Is that even the rule? His hand was away from his body, seen the likes of that one where the player jumped for the ball and the guy behind him headed it on to his hand, seems like anything could be hand ball now From https://www.thefa.com/football-rules-governance/lawsandrules/laws/football-11-11/law-12---fouls-and-misconduct Spoiler It is an offence if a player: deliberately touches the ball with their hand/arm, including moving the hand/arm towards the ball scores in the opponents’ goal directly from their hand/arm, even if accidental, including by the goalkeeper after the ball has touched their or a team-mate’s hand/arm, even if accidental, immediately: scores in the opponents’ goal creates a goal-scoring opportunity touches the ball with their hand/arm when: the hand/arm has made their body unnaturally bigger the hand/arm is above/beyond their shoulder level (unless the player deliberately plays the ball which then touches their hand/arm The above offences apply even if the ball touches a player’s hand/arm directly from the head or body (including the foot) of another player who is close. Except for the above offences, it is not an offence if the ball touches a player’s hand/arm: directly from the player’s own head or body (including the foot) directly from the head or body (including the foot) of another player who is close if the hand/arm is close to the body and does not make the body unnaturally bigger when a player falls and the hand/arm is between the body and the ground to support the body, but not extended laterally or vertically away from the body Good luck unpicking all of that, deflections don't count, except when they do. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
magnkarl Posted January 30, 2021 Share Posted January 30, 2021 The first VAR-handball thing this year when Leeds got a pen against Pool was very similar to that. I don't get the inconsistency, but I'll take it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
briny_ear Posted January 30, 2021 Share Posted January 30, 2021 Think there’s going to be a few goals in this game! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ender4 Posted January 30, 2021 Share Posted January 30, 2021 Anyone think the ref has been told to even it up after the whole mess of the offside goal against Man City and the Pogba falling over pen? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sne Posted January 30, 2021 Share Posted January 30, 2021 surely it's only a matter of time before the Southampton press and us passing poor balls back to Martinez results in a big mistake from us. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LondonVillian Posted January 30, 2021 Share Posted January 30, 2021 1 minute ago, ender4 said: Anyone think the ref has been told to even it up after the whole mess of the offside goal against Man City and the Pogba falling over pen? No 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Davkaus Posted January 30, 2021 Share Posted January 30, 2021 It's amazing how many people just swallow whatever the commentators say hook line and sinker. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
andym Posted January 30, 2021 Share Posted January 30, 2021 Neither full back impressing atm, and its not due to lack of cover Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
briny_ear Posted January 30, 2021 Share Posted January 30, 2021 1 minute ago, ender4 said: Anyone think the ref has been told to even it up after the whole mess of the offside goal against Man City and the Pogba falling over pen? No. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
est1874 Posted January 30, 2021 Share Posted January 30, 2021 1 minute ago, alreadyexists said: He did when you view it at super slow mo, preying mantis speed, in real time it’s an absolute blur I understand that. Unfortunately there isn't a rule for real-time and a different rule for slow mo, there is one rule. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Johnnyp Posted January 30, 2021 Share Posted January 30, 2021 Southampton playing through the lines all a bit too easily. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OutByEaster? Posted January 30, 2021 Moderator Share Posted January 30, 2021 We need to get Barkley and McGinn involved in this game - at the moment neither are having an impact. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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