Jono62 Posted April 17, 2023 Share Posted April 17, 2023 26 minutes ago, jimmygreaves said: Penalty??? Only if it had happened to a Forest player. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fightoffyour Posted April 17, 2023 VT Supporter Share Posted April 17, 2023 Is there something about it glancing off his massive head first onto his arm that prevents it being a penalty, unless it's for Man Utd instead? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tinker Posted April 17, 2023 VT Supporter Share Posted April 17, 2023 Its was a guilt edged penalty, have the refs explained wtf happened and why it wasn't given? Arsenal had one against West Ham ,saka missed it, that was the same type of thing. These types of decisions are going to destroy the game we all love unless something is done about them, it's happening every week and it's benefitting the same teams. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Talldarkandransome Posted April 17, 2023 Share Posted April 17, 2023 4 hours ago, jimmygreaves said: Penalty??? They couldn't use the arm in a normal position excuse cos it wasn't so they made up a totally new one. The area was crowded... Never heard so much bullshit in my life 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Villaphan04 Posted April 18, 2023 Popular Post Share Posted April 18, 2023 (edited) Something like this would just immensely help with public understanding of refereeing and decision making. Edited April 18, 2023 by Villaphan04 13 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lichfield Dean Posted April 18, 2023 VT Supporter Share Posted April 18, 2023 18 minutes ago, Villaphan04 said: Something like this would just immensely help with public understanding of refereeing and decision making. "Un duel" - magic. Can you imagine how much less sophisticated the refs would be in this country? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tinker Posted April 19, 2023 VT Supporter Share Posted April 19, 2023 Maybe it's a job for Ai, the VAR bit. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MrBlack Posted April 19, 2023 Share Posted April 19, 2023 18 hours ago, Villaphan04 said: Something like this would just immensely help with public understanding of refereeing and decision making. The last sentence he says is it. The game shouldn't be about the referee or the refereeing. In this country, it almost always is. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
villa4europe Posted April 19, 2023 Share Posted April 19, 2023 28 minutes ago, MrBlack said: The last sentence he says is it. The game shouldn't be about the referee or the refereeing. In this country, it almost always is. said a few months back that someone somewhere had said something that I found really interesting - in the PL when the game starts and the fireworks are let off and the music blares to the huge fanfare who comes out first and picks the ball up in front of a billion people? when did it all change that we know who these people are? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bobzy Posted April 19, 2023 Share Posted April 19, 2023 2 hours ago, MrBlack said: The last sentence he says is it. The game shouldn't be about the referee or the refereeing. In this country, it almost always is. 2 hours ago, villa4europe said: said a few months back that someone somewhere had said something that I found really interesting - in the PL when the game starts and the fireworks are let off and the music blares to the huge fanfare who comes out first and picks the ball up in front of a billion people? when did it all change that we know who these people are? I'm not convinced it's about the referees... we just make it that way? Every single Villa game that I'm watching and then commenting on here, the match thread is filled with people bemoaning even the most minute decision/non-decision from referees. It's ingrained in how we view a game. I suppose we hoped that VAR would reduce this to a large extent but, obviously, it hasn't - so now we discuss "corruption". But yeah, seems to be a society thing to comment on every single part of refereeing and giving that more... relevance to the game than, say, a player making a slight mistake. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MrBlack Posted April 19, 2023 Share Posted April 19, 2023 34 minutes ago, bobzy said: I'm not convinced it's about the referees... we just make it that way? Every single Villa game that I'm watching and then commenting on here, the match thread is filled with people bemoaning even the most minute decision/non-decision from referees. It's ingrained in how we view a game. I suppose we hoped that VAR would reduce this to a large extent but, obviously, it hasn't - so now we discuss "corruption". But yeah, seems to be a society thing to comment on every single part of refereeing and giving that more... relevance to the game than, say, a player making a slight mistake. Because such bad decisions exist, and with the added incompetence (exacerbated corruption) of VAR, the referee is going to attract the attention they get. If they didn't make such colossal terrible decisions, that are then upheld by VAR, the talking points would be the game and not them. That ref was basically saying "I've not made any contentious decisions, there are no talking points about what I did, so this was a good game". Maybe not as many as there were, but until very recently you had the likes of Mike Dean trying to be the centre of attention. It doesn't feel like refs in this country think the same way. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StefanAVFC Posted April 19, 2023 Author Share Posted April 19, 2023 The on-field reffing isn’t good enough, and the VAR intervention is apparently such a high bar that it makes mistakes more likely as they’re not being corrected. In the VAR thread, it’s basically admitted by Howard Webb. VAR errors are down but reffing errors are still dreadful. The Dunk penalty shout for example. The ref should obviously be giving it, Howard Webb admits it, but then he says it’s also right that VAR didn’t get involved because it didn’t cross the threshold for intervention. Either it’s a penalty or not. This measly-mouthed language makes the whole thing worse. The Mitoma handball the same. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MrBlack Posted April 19, 2023 Share Posted April 19, 2023 The Liverpool handball will go down as a reffing error rather than a VAR error as well. Because it happened one phase before VAR gets involved, it couldn't review for a handball. The ref looking straight at it should have been able to make a call that it was a handball, but it did happen pretty quickly and it's the kind of decision in the old days that a ref would have blown up for. Now they've got the back up of VAR, they are making fewer calls, which is why ref errors are going up. It's a fine line between letting VAR get involved too early in the process, or not early enough. But more fundamentally, refs need to be making calls and not relying on VAR to bail them out. Perhaps in the Liverpool scenario, the ref could let play continue and meanwhile ask VAR to check the handball if they're not sure. By the time the check is done the chance will have happened and been missed and you play on or a goal scored, which the ref can then rule out. Perhaps have a time factor that says any incident in the 30 seconds leading up to a goal can be reviewed, and each club gets 2 review calls per game. Perhaps whatever they do, they should make it less cloak and dagger, and then there's no making up the excuse they then later give. Refs in rugby are miced up, why not do it in football? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fightoffyour Posted April 19, 2023 VT Supporter Share Posted April 19, 2023 11 minutes ago, MrBlack said: Perhaps whatever they do, they should make it less cloak and dagger, and then there's no making up the excuse they then later give. Refs in rugby are miced up, why not do it in football? 'cause everyone will repeatedly hear on the telly what a stupid **** word removed the ref is apparently, until after the first time that three red cards are administered for foul and abusive language that is. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MrBlack Posted April 19, 2023 Share Posted April 19, 2023 Just now, fightoffyour said: 'cause everyone will repeatedly hear on the telly what a stupid **** word removed the ref is apparently, until after the first time that three red cards are administered for foul and abusive language that is. You don't have to play the mic stream live and a delay could bleep out the language, that as you say should just result in a card anyway and would soon mean it stops. There's no real downside to it. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fightoffyour Posted April 19, 2023 VT Supporter Share Posted April 19, 2023 5 minutes ago, MrBlack said: You don't have to play the mic stream live and a delay could bleep out the language, that as you say should just result in a card anyway and would soon mean it stops. There's no real downside to it. Yep, that was just one of the pathetic excuses given for not micing up the refs. In reality, they're just covering up the poor standards of officiating and decision making. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
a-k Posted April 20, 2023 Share Posted April 20, 2023 Could also go in The Game's Gone thread, but how's about that 6 steaming in like he's about to spear the ref from behind if he doesn't point to the spot Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ozvillafan Posted April 22, 2023 VT Supporter Share Posted April 22, 2023 How is it that a player heads the ball while another raises a boot and catches him in the face drawing blood.... ... and it doesn't even get called a foul, let alone a yellow card? 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zatman Posted April 22, 2023 Share Posted April 22, 2023 16 minutes ago, ozvillafan said: How is it that a player heads the ball while another raises a boot and catches him in the face drawing blood.... ... and it doesn't even get called a foul, let alone a yellow card? Luckily we have the foolproof VAR system Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Villaphan04 Posted April 22, 2023 Share Posted April 22, 2023 17 minutes ago, ozvillafan said: How is it that a player heads the ball while another raises a boot and catches him in the face drawing blood.... ... and it doesn't even get called a foul, let alone a yellow card? probably wasn't a "clear and obvious" error to not give a red card. They can't then retroactively give a yellow via VAR however. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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