Kuwabatake Sanjuro Posted April 22, 2023 Share Posted April 22, 2023 Surprised no mention of Michael Oliver doing nixers in Saudi Arabia and embarrassing himself by being afraid to send off the most high profile has been out there. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StefanAVFC Posted April 22, 2023 Author Share Posted April 22, 2023 Maybe I don’t understand the rules but for the Plop winner, a player in an offside position goes for the header, so therefore he’s active no? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bobzy Posted April 24, 2023 Share Posted April 24, 2023 This is a fascinating listen. Referees don't half have a tough job. https://www.theguardian.com/football/audio/2023/apr/21/the-audio-long-read-the-impossible-job-inside-the-world-of-premier-league-referees 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stevo985 Posted April 24, 2023 VT Supporter Share Posted April 24, 2023 On 22/04/2023 at 17:57, Kuwabatake Sanjuro said: being afraid to send off the most high profile has been out there. I'm surprised by that given how he sent off Buffon in the champions league game Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bannedfromHandV Posted April 27, 2023 Share Posted April 27, 2023 How was Sam Johnston not sent off for that penalty he gave away at the end of their game with Wolves? It was a reckless challenge, off the ground with his foot going over the top of the ball, add to that the fact that it was a goal scoring opportunity and he’s clearly the last man - it just beggars belief. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pas5898 Posted April 27, 2023 Share Posted April 27, 2023 9 hours ago, bannedfromHandV said: How was Sam Johnston not sent off for that penalty he gave away at the end of their game with Wolves? It was a reckless challenge, off the ground with his foot going over the top of the ball, add to that the fact that it was a goal scoring opportunity and he’s clearly the last man - it just beggars belief. I might be incorrect but isn't there a double jeopardy rule for Goalkeepers? If its a pen there's no red card etc. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
villa4europe Posted April 27, 2023 Share Posted April 27, 2023 18 minutes ago, pas5898 said: I might be incorrect but isn't there a double jeopardy rule for Goalkeepers? If its a pen there's no red card etc. The rule is for everyone, can't be a red card if theres a genuine attempt to play the ball Take someone out off the ball cynically then it's a penalty and a red Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bannedfromHandV Posted April 27, 2023 Share Posted April 27, 2023 1 hour ago, pas5898 said: I might be incorrect but isn't there a double jeopardy rule for Goalkeepers? If its a pen there's no red card etc. Maybe so but when you add in that it was dangerous play surely it should have been a red, it was a horror tackle, had he connected with the wolves player it could easily have been a leg breaker Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YLN Posted April 28, 2023 Share Posted April 28, 2023 That old man on ref watch says we should have had a penalty against Fulham. Looked to me like the defender got the ball but took the player clean out. Ref definitely didn't award it, leaving the decision up to VAR because he's a coward. Refs use VAR as a way to completely abdicate responsibility. Remember that ref at the world cup who was advised to check the monitor but he was like nah I saw it. Play on. Imagine that happening in the Premier League Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StefanAVFC Posted April 29, 2023 Author Share Posted April 29, 2023 They apparently want to stop diving yet reward players for blatant dives. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
delboy54 Posted April 29, 2023 Share Posted April 29, 2023 Yeah Kane is the biggest cheating diver of the lot, and when he does it and is blatantly shown to have been a dive the media say that Kane is "clever" ! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
May-Z Posted April 29, 2023 Share Posted April 29, 2023 West Ham completely done over by VAR today. How that pen was ever confirmed I will never know. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bobzy Posted April 30, 2023 Share Posted April 30, 2023 8 hours ago, May-Z said: West Ham completely done over by VAR today. How that pen was ever confirmed I will never know. Ref gave it, high bar to overturn. But yeah, it's just not a penalty. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
May-Z Posted April 30, 2023 Share Posted April 30, 2023 2 hours ago, bobzy said: Ref gave it, high bar to overturn. But yeah, it's just not a penalty. It's something I just can't get my head around. Out VAR system doesn't work if incorrect decision aren't sorted out because of the ref making the decision first. Im.still of the opinion that there shouldn't be a VAR official making a decision....the ref should always go over to the monitor himself to re-watch. At least it's only one person in charge then. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bobzy Posted April 30, 2023 Share Posted April 30, 2023 Just now, May-Z said: It's something I just can't get my head around. Out VAR system doesn't work if incorrect decision aren't sorted out because of the ref making the decision first. Im.still of the opinion that there shouldn't be a VAR official making a decision....the ref should always go over to the monitor himself to re-watch. At least it's only one person in charge then. But you’ve got that element of doubt in your head because someone has said “I think you might want to check that”. The link I posted earlier in the thread is really interesting on the whole subject. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
foreveryoung Posted April 30, 2023 Share Posted April 30, 2023 VAR and refereeing just seems really unprofessionally run, amateur with some decisions.. If it were a company it would have lost the contract years ago. I'm sure this new guy (forgot his name too), will sort it out, but he's working mostly with a bunch of numpties. I bet it's head in hands after every weekend. For one VAR should be run by independent referees, not the same refs that have just **** up on the field the week before, this causes a clash of interests, not being able to tell your mate you have missed a blatant penalty. I always think of Phil Dowd still refereeing before retiring of his own accord. He was blatantly overweight and unfit, surely would never have passed the fitness test, for me speaks volumes that its just jobs for the boys too. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
villa4europe Posted April 30, 2023 Share Posted April 30, 2023 1 hour ago, foreveryoung said: VAR and refereeing just seems really unprofessionally run, amateur with some decisions.. If it were a company it would have lost the contract years ago. I'm sure this new guy (forgot his name too), will sort it out, but he's working mostly with a bunch of numpties. I bet it's head in hands after every weekend. For one VAR should be run by independent referees, not the same refs that have just **** up on the field the week before, this causes a clash of interests, not being able to tell your mate you have missed a blatant penalty. I always think of Phil Dowd still refereeing before retiring of his own accord. He was blatantly overweight and unfit, surely would never have passed the fitness test, for me speaks volumes that its just jobs for the boys too. Been saying it for years! Why can't PGMOL or the PL or the FA ever get their head round that a 55 year old PE teacher is going to struggle to run round with world class athletes 20-30 years younger than them? It's common **** sense, it takes a team of how many coaches analysts medical people dieticians etc etc to put a footballer on the pitch? PGMOL give their guys a fitness first pass and put them on the same level, it's madness They put way too much emphasis on experience but even then you have VAR, they could theoretically look to make the pitch ref younger and have the senior guy in the VAR room but they won't, they could have a team of several in the VAR room but they won't, they could have VAR experts who can't be a pitch ref but they won't There's loads of stuff they could do but they're not interested, expecting nothing to change under Webb It comes to something when FIFA organised it all so much better with teams from far flung corners of the world Stand by my theory - they're not interested in fixing it because it adds drama and drama is good for the product in the world's most exciting league 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
foreveryoung Posted April 30, 2023 Share Posted April 30, 2023 28 minutes ago, villa4europe said: Been saying it for years! Why can't PGMOL or the PL or the FA ever get their head round that a 55 year old PE teacher is going to struggle to run round with world class athletes 20-30 years younger than them? It's common **** sense, it takes a team of how many coaches analysts medical people dieticians etc etc to put a footballer on the pitch? PGMOL give their guys a fitness first pass and put them on the same level, it's madness They put way too much emphasis on experience but even then you have VAR, they could theoretically look to make the pitch ref younger and have the senior guy in the VAR room but they won't, they could have a team of several in the VAR room but they won't, they could have VAR experts who can't be a pitch ref but they won't There's loads of stuff they could do but they're not interested, expecting nothing to change under Webb It comes to something when FIFA organised it all so much better with teams from far flung corners of the world Stand by my theory - they're not interested in fixing it because it adds drama and drama is good for the product in the world's most exciting league Always remember a ex pro ref coming out and saying the fitness test is so hard, women may not be strong or fit enough to pass it. Not only is that comment out of order, if a chubby Phil Dowd and old man Mike Dean can pass the test and ref a game, I'm more than sure a 20-25 year old women could piss all over it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
foreveryoung Posted April 30, 2023 Share Posted April 30, 2023 Another huge **** up. If that wasn't a red card for Jota in the Liverpool, Tottenham game high boot, I'm not sure what is. Big cut on his head, ref don't call it neither do VAR, something going on surely, they can'r be this poor. Ended up with the winner too, I'd be gutted if that was us. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StefanAVFC Posted April 30, 2023 Author Share Posted April 30, 2023 8 minutes ago, foreveryoung said: Another huge **** up. If that wasn't a red card for Jota in the Liverpool, Tottenham game high boot, I'm not sure what is. Big cut on his head, ref don't call it neither do VAR, something going on surely, they can'r be this poor. Ended up with the winner too, I'd be gutted if that was us. Digne got kicked in the head against Brentford, drawing blood and it wasnt even a foul. If it's not in the penalty area, refs aren't interested. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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