GarethRDR Posted November 3, 2020 Share Posted November 3, 2020 It's all a conspiracy by Big Crayola to shift vast quantities of "Razzmatazz Red". 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KenjiOgiwara Posted November 3, 2020 Share Posted November 3, 2020 5 hours ago, Awol said: Not really. During WW1 a Football Battalion was formed that over 120 professional players joined, many more joined County Regiments and 'Pals' Battalions and football was suspended for the duration of the war. It was a total societal effort and the same thing happened 20 years later. I agree with the OP about the growing trend to focus on the symbology of remembrance for its own sake, with some people having a mawkish, almost ghoulish fetishization of the poppy. It's gross, and it detracts from what the thing is actually about: remembering and acknowledging the ungodly sacrifices made by our elders, for us. That's worth two minutes of a Sunday morning once a year. That's not why I'm saying it's strange. The reason I'm saying it's strange is that a modern multicultural democracy can't see the problem of mixing politics into sport. Especially a sport with fans and athletes from all around the world. To me that's a problem, and I would have thought people on here would think so too. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Awol Posted November 3, 2020 Share Posted November 3, 2020 (edited) 26 minutes ago, KenjiOgiwara said: That's not why I'm saying it's strange. The reason I'm saying it's strange is that a modern multicultural democracy can't see the problem of mixing politics into sport. Especially a sport with fans and athletes from all around the world. To me that's a problem, and I would have thought people on here would think so too. It’s not politics, it’s national remembrance, entirely separate from politics. That’s the point. Edit: I’m not sure what multiculturalism has to do with it either. It was the other team who were exclusively white - a major part of the overall beef. Edited November 3, 2020 by Awol 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Davkaus Posted November 3, 2020 Share Posted November 3, 2020 10 minutes ago, Awol said: It’s not politics, it’s national remembrance, entirely separate from politics. That’s the point. It should be, but it's kind of not. I pay my respects and remember those who sacrificed their lives for this country in the world wars. I can see why people object when money goes towards soldiers that served in NI or the middle east, though. I remember those, only so we remember the mistakes we made, but pay no respect. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ml1dch Posted November 3, 2020 Share Posted November 3, 2020 24 minutes ago, KenjiOgiwara said: That's not why I'm saying it's strange. The reason I'm saying it's strange is that a modern multicultural democracy can't see the problem of mixing politics into sport. Especially a sport with fans and athletes from all around the world. To me that's a problem, and I would have thought people on here would think so too. I would guess that a lot of those people would probably say that it wasn't mixing politics with sport and that poppy-wearing isn't a political act. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KenjiOgiwara Posted November 3, 2020 Share Posted November 3, 2020 26 minutes ago, Awol said: It’s not politics, it’s national remembrance, entirely separate from politics. That’s the point. I think it's pretty obvious it is. I am sure you can ask some NI players what they think of it or players from many other nations. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Seat68 Posted November 3, 2020 Share Posted November 3, 2020 2 minutes ago, KenjiOgiwara said: I think it's pretty obvious it is. I am sure you can ask some NI players what they think of it or players from many other nations. Some republican supporting players do have an issue with it, but thats them. On the whole its about remembrance. Nothing more, its not a celebration, its not 2 world wars and one world cup. Its miles from nationalism. Its remembrance and for some, gratitude. Never ever celebrating or gloating. Its not political, no one looks at it as a time we won. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Awol Posted November 3, 2020 Share Posted November 3, 2020 6 minutes ago, KenjiOgiwara said: I think it's pretty obvious it is. I am sure you can ask some NI players what they think of it or players from many other nations. Okay. Thanks for your input. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bickster Posted November 3, 2020 Moderator Share Posted November 3, 2020 11 minutes ago, KenjiOgiwara said: I think it's pretty obvious it is. I am sure you can ask some NI players what they think of it or players from many other nations. Those that are from NI and would care, wouldn't play for NI Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sidcow Posted November 3, 2020 VT Supporter Share Posted November 3, 2020 (edited) 6 hours ago, KenjiOgiwara said: I think it's pretty obvious it is. I am sure you can ask some NI players what they think of it or players from many other nations. I think that's those people from NI bringing politics into Remembrance Day, not politics butting into them via the poppy. It remembers ALL soldiers, unfortunately a tiny fraction were involved in tragedies in NI so that's their perogative, but it still doesn't make Remembrance Day a political thing because they feel that way. Edited November 3, 2020 by sidcow Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chrisp65 Posted November 3, 2020 Share Posted November 3, 2020 4 minutes ago, sidcow said: I think that's those people from NI bringing politics into Remembrance Day, not politics butting into them via the poppy. It remembers ALL soldiers, unfortunately a tiny fraction were involved in tragedies in NI so that's their perogative, but it still doesn't make Remembrance Day a political thing because they feel that way. I think that point might itself be slightly coming from one side of a debate. There could be some in NI that are also thinking of the Irish War of Independence. It’s different things to different people, we shouldn’t really attempt to speak for why others think how they do. We might miss a detail or a nuance and just reinforce perceived injustices. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KenjiOgiwara Posted November 4, 2020 Share Posted November 4, 2020 6 hours ago, sidcow said: I think that's those people from NI bringing politics into Remembrance Day, not politics butting into them via the poppy. It remembers ALL soldiers, unfortunately a tiny fraction were involved in tragedies in NI so that's their perogative, but it still doesn't make Remembrance Day a political thing because they feel that way. It's ultimately that the fact there are people that feels that way that shows it is a politically sensitive subject IMO. I just can't follow the logic that those who feel that way are the ones that make it political. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NurembergVillan Posted November 4, 2020 Author Moderator Share Posted November 4, 2020 Love or hate Femi, but I can only agree with him here. The poppy is allowed on BBC presenters, but rainbow flags or BLM insignia is not. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HanoiVillan Posted November 4, 2020 Share Posted November 4, 2020 All anybody ever means when they say something is 'not political' is that most people agree with them so they don't want to talk about it any more. Which is fair enough, but it doesn't make something apolitical. Anything and everything is 'political' on some level. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bickster Posted November 4, 2020 Moderator Share Posted November 4, 2020 24 minutes ago, HanoiVillan said: All anybody ever means when they say something is 'not political' is that most people agree with them so they don't want to talk about it any more. Which is fair enough, but it doesn't make something apolitical. Anything and everything is 'political' on some level. Who gets the captains armband is political but it should have no place in sport Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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bickster Posted November 6, 2020 Moderator Share Posted November 6, 2020 1 hour ago, choffer said: Oh that's going to be hard to beat! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
villa4europe Posted November 6, 2020 Share Posted November 6, 2020 I'm liking the commitment on show ordering that many samples of astro turf 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MCU Posted November 6, 2020 Share Posted November 6, 2020 He's even tied the horse up! 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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