BleedClaretAndBlue Posted June 13, 2023 Share Posted June 13, 2023 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PieFacE Posted June 13, 2023 VT Supporter Share Posted June 13, 2023 2 minutes ago, BleedClaretAndBlue said: Interesting idea but no way will the top clubs go for some sort of salary cap imo. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
duke313 Posted June 13, 2023 Share Posted June 13, 2023 2 minutes ago, BleedClaretAndBlue said: What's the point. The super rich will just find another way around it, £1million goal bonuses or £100,000 for taking a throw in or corner, or over inflated signing on fees. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
delboy54 Posted June 13, 2023 Share Posted June 13, 2023 3 minutes ago, duke313 said: What's the point. The super rich will just find another way around it, £1million goal bonuses or £100,000 for taking a throw in or corner, or over inflated signing on fees. Yep man citeh, will be sponsoring their own cross bars (2 off), the uprights (4 off), the nets (2 off), the corner flags (4 off) and the white marking paint so that will bring in another hundred and eleventy trillion pounds for them 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rustibrooks Posted June 13, 2023 Share Posted June 13, 2023 Depends on the type of salary cap it is, it could be similar to the NBA model of setting an annual cap that can go up or down depending on the financial performance of the league. Then you have a luxury cap which if you go over your normal salary cap you will pay a penalty. Now that doesn’t stop a team from being elite but it might put owners off for paying extra, but I don’t think that works well. Even in the NBA Golden state were in the luxury cap and their owner was fine to pay it due to them winning at the time. Ironically our new structure at the club would be ideal for this new cap idea, Heck/Edens will be really familiar with it from being involved in basketball. In theory it’s a good idea but there will be loopholes around it and it depends on how it’s implemented to be honest. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sne Posted June 13, 2023 Share Posted June 13, 2023 9 minutes ago, duke313 said: What's the point. The super rich will just find another way around it, £1million goal bonuses or £100,000 for taking a throw in or corner, or over inflated signing on fees. All players being given lucrative ambassador/tourism promotion roles for Qatar/Saudi/Emirates/Wales... To go with the money they will be paid under the table to accounts in national banks. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
duke313 Posted June 13, 2023 Share Posted June 13, 2023 3 minutes ago, sne said: All players being given lucrative ambassador/tourism promotion roles for Qatar/Saudi/Emirates/Wales... To go with the money they will be paid under the table to accounts in national banks. Exactly, or they'll just funnel the money through the players sponserships. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CVByrne Posted June 13, 2023 Share Posted June 13, 2023 40 minutes ago, BleedClaretAndBlue said: OMG, they're doing exactly what I've been calling for. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CVByrne Posted June 13, 2023 Share Posted June 13, 2023 You set the cap now and don't change it, so as clubs overall get wealthier it stops clubs at the top from spending disproportionately more than the clubs behind them. It gives some disparity of course, but it caps that advantage. This is amazing, this benefits us the most as we will have more income than the smaller clubs and it drags the bigger clubs down towards us more over time 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CVByrne Posted June 13, 2023 Share Posted June 13, 2023 42 minutes ago, PieFacE said: Interesting idea but no way will the top clubs go for some sort of salary cap imo. Why should we care? 14 teams is all that's needed to pass the changes. Liverpool for example would be in favour of this imo. It's all about the multiple, set it right so really only City and maybe United get penalised when first applied due to their income being the biggest and their squad cost being the biggest. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
duke313 Posted June 13, 2023 Share Posted June 13, 2023 3 minutes ago, CVByrne said: You set the cap now and don't change it, so as clubs overall get wealthier it stops clubs at the top from spending disproportionately more than the clubs behind them. It gives some disparity of course, but it caps that advantage. This is amazing, this benefits us the most as we will have more income than the smaller clubs and it drags the bigger clubs down towards us more over time I'm sure the likes of City, United etc will find creative ways around a cap. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mrbojangles Posted June 13, 2023 Share Posted June 13, 2023 If its only the PL/English leagues doing this though wouldn't that just mean that the best players will all play abroad where there is no cap? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Folski Posted June 13, 2023 Share Posted June 13, 2023 17 minutes ago, Rustibrooks said: Depends on the type of salary cap it is, it could be similar to the NBA model of setting an annual cap that can go up or down depending on the financial performance of the league. Then you have a luxury cap which if you go over your normal salary cap you will pay a penalty. Now that doesn’t stop a team from being elite but it might put owners off for paying extra, but I don’t think that works well. Even in the NBA Golden state were in the luxury cap and their owner was fine to pay it due to them winning at the time. Ironically our new structure at the club would be ideal for this new cap idea, Heck/Edens will be really familiar with it from being involved in basketball. In theory it’s a good idea but there will be loopholes around it and it depends on how it’s implemented to be honest. The NBA have radically changed their rules on the back of the spending of the Warriors and Clippers. The NBA has a soft cap, after a certain point once your salary is over the cap you are into the luxury tax but it does have various exemptions. The teams over pay different luxury taxes depending on the number of consecutive years they are in the luxury tax, if you're say 10m over and its your first year you pay 20% tax on that 10m i.e. another 2m. This tax money from all the teams over is divided by the teams not in the luxury tax, so it pays to be under the tax. Where you are over 3 years or more in a row you must pay 50% tax on the overage. The new collective bargaining agreement has brought in strict rules for teams over the luxury tax, they are no longer allowed trade picks more than 7 years away and also can't take back more money in a trade (currently salaries in trades need to be within 125% for the trade to go through unless a team can absorb the salary via cap space). This means significant less flexibility for teams over the cap long term. However, the most important point is that the new cba has also brought in bands to the luxury tax and with each band having a higher rate of tax for each $ you venture further into the tax. I believe the Warriors are looking at $350m odd this season between salary and tax but with the new figures would be looking at something just under $500m. That is a significant increase and when you add in the trade restrictions, it is going to make life very tough for the warriors in Steph's twilight years. It's hard to see a situation where teams will agree to allow any restriction on teams over being able to acquire players as it ultimately weakens the league. Teams also need to limit their wages to 70% of income for UEFA competitions. I can't see how a soft cap situation would work in the Premier League. If it is a situation where there is a hard cap for player salaries of say 3 times the lowest teams tv rights, that could make the league far more competitive which you would hope would only help viewing figures, but will it ultimately lead to a Saudi super league ala Liv in the golf? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Czarnikjak Posted June 13, 2023 Share Posted June 13, 2023 3 minutes ago, CVByrne said: You set the cap now and don't change it, so as clubs overall get wealthier it stops clubs at the top from spending disproportionately more than the clubs behind them. It gives some disparity of course, but it caps that advantage. This is amazing, this benefits us the most as we will have more income than the smaller clubs and it drags the bigger clubs down towards us more over time I wouldn't get too excited just yet. First, it's only a rumoured proposal, we don't even know if it will be put up for a vote and when it will be applied (if ever). Second, that would be in place alongside revenue based cap as well...So we still won't be able to match the big six in terms of wages. Third, this proposal is not for a fixed, never changing cap. It will go up together with the broadcast revenue (the multiplier). 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Demitri_C Posted June 13, 2023 Share Posted June 13, 2023 This be a great idea. But obviously likes of city Newcastle united wont agree to this Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
duke313 Posted June 13, 2023 Share Posted June 13, 2023 3 minutes ago, mrbojangles said: If its only the PL/English leagues doing this though wouldn't that just mean that the best players will all play abroad where there is no cap? Depends, even with a salary cap, PL team could probably still pay more salary than 99% of UEFA clubs. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nigel Posted June 13, 2023 VT Supporter Share Posted June 13, 2023 2 minutes ago, Demitri_C said: This be a great idea. But obviously likes of city Newcastle united wont agree does it need unanimous support? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sne Posted June 13, 2023 Share Posted June 13, 2023 Guess since you're no longer in the EU that they wouldn't cause an issue. Would it work with UEFA rules and would the player association be OK with it? I imagine it will help speed plans along for the Saudi European Super League. Good riddance some would say. I wouldn't thou. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jareth Posted June 13, 2023 VT Supporter Share Posted June 13, 2023 All depends on where they set the cap! Seems a good idea though - glad it's being discussed at this level now. Huge incentive on clubs to increase revenue so that they can spend the max allowed, but that seems fair as will stall the biggest spenders and allow others to catch up. American owners will leap at this I'd have thought, they want to run a business. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mic09 Posted June 13, 2023 Share Posted June 13, 2023 7 minutes ago, mrbojangles said: If its only the PL/English leagues doing this though wouldn't that just mean that the best players will all play abroad where there is no cap? That's what I thought, but without looking at data the only salary competitive places in Europe are Madrid, Barca, PSG, maybe Bayern. The entire Man City squad will not be distributed between those 4. So there will be plenty of top players to go around. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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