rodders0223 Posted August 14, 2022 Share Posted August 14, 2022 He's frustrating. He's raw. He is technically not the best. I've wanted him to be dropped a fair few times but we are a better team with him in it. For all his faults. He has legs and is direct. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChesterDad Posted August 14, 2022 Share Posted August 14, 2022 14 hours ago, Chicken Field said: Fair enough I just feel like we (me included) as a fan base go waaaay over the top with criticism of individuals when we don't like, or rate, them (like probably every fan base does). But we have to be able to recognize when they occasionally do well and I feel like when you have assisted 2 goals in one game, it's unfair to be going in on him for missing that one chance (which admittedly he should have scored). There are reasons to be critical of Watkins, today is just not one of those days, of course just my opinion. I’m not sure I can agree with this summary - strikers live or die by goals this is how it’s always been. there was a time when strikers got paid for every goal they scored. Assists are all well and good - but actually this is quite a recent concept bought into the game by sky. Yes of course they are important but years ago no one ever commented on strikers getting an assist - it was goals or nothing. despite having some good attributes I feel Ollie is consistently proving himself to be an average striker imo Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AVTuco Posted August 14, 2022 VT Supporter Share Posted August 14, 2022 14 hours ago, Chicken Field said: Fair enough I just feel like we (me included) as a fan base go waaaay over the top with criticism of individuals when we don't like, or rate, them (like probably every fan base does). But we have to be able to recognize when they occasionally do well and I feel like when you have assisted 2 goals in one game, it's unfair to be going in on him for missing that one chance (which admittedly he should have scored). There are reasons to be critical of Watkins, today is just not one of those days, of course just my opinion. I think, on this board at least and probs any board, we're not fans. There's no fandom in general on VT. A player is only as good as his last game. I miss being a fan and reading nice and supporting things even after a loss. I wonder when Cowans had a poor game, would he have been thrown under the bus on VT? Guy can't run to save his life! What a weakling, how did he ever get to the team, I'll never know!!! 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cheltenham_villa Posted August 14, 2022 Share Posted August 14, 2022 55 minutes ago, ChesterDad said: I’m not sure I can agree with this summary - strikers live or die by goals this is how it’s always been. there was a time when strikers got paid for every goal they scored. Assists are all well and good - but actually this is quite a recent concept bought into the game by sky. Yes of course they are important but years ago no one ever commented on strikers getting an assist - it was goals or nothing. despite having some good attributes I feel Ollie is consistently proving himself to be an average striker imo Is he a striker now though, played wide yesterday? If Bailey gets two assists we all rave about it. He's finished with double figures in the last two seasons, no reason to think he won't get that again. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
icouldtelltheworld Posted August 14, 2022 Share Posted August 14, 2022 We all know that he isn't the most clinical finisher, nor the most technically gifted footballer in the world. But tbh the real noticeable change in his game indicating a loss of form was that he was struggling to do all the unselfish parts of a strikers role - I thought he did that side of the game brilliantly yesterday, running the channels, holding the ball up and bringing others into play. Agree with the poster above who stated we are better team when he plays 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rodders0223 Posted August 14, 2022 Share Posted August 14, 2022 If Oli doesn't score a single goal the rest of the season but he assists like that every other week I will not have a problem . 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lexicon Posted August 14, 2022 Share Posted August 14, 2022 1 hour ago, ChesterDad said: I’m not sure I can agree with this summary - strikers live or die by goals this is how it’s always been. there was a time when strikers got paid for every goal they scored. Assists are all well and good - but actually this is quite a recent concept bought into the game by sky. Yes of course they are important but years ago no one ever commented on strikers getting an assist - it was goals or nothing. despite having some good attributes I feel Ollie is consistently proving himself to be an average striker imo Didn't he score the 7th most goals for a striker last year? With all due respect, ChesterDad, you need to stop living in the past. Attacking play these days is far more free form than it used to be - just look at the top 10 highest goalscorers in the league last season - only 2 out and out and strikers there in Kane and Vardy. If you don't see the value in what Ollie did yesterday, i.e. having a big hand in both goals, then I don't really know what to tell you. It's not 4-4-fakhin-2 and smoking a fag at half time anymore. 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CVByrne Posted August 14, 2022 Share Posted August 14, 2022 Watkins does so much he creates space for others. Ings I bet loves playing with him. Watkins does souch work and harassing the defenders. He misses chances and his first touch is often not great but that's Watkins. You get good and not so good but always max effort Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
messi11 Posted August 14, 2022 Share Posted August 14, 2022 Linked to Leeds and Palace Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PieFacE Posted August 14, 2022 VT Supporter Share Posted August 14, 2022 3 minutes ago, messi11 said: Linked to Leeds and Palace Where? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Indigo Posted August 14, 2022 Share Posted August 14, 2022 He can frustrate the life out of me at times and there's no denying he has his limitations, but we just are a more effective team with him in it at the moment given our style/personnel. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
duke313 Posted August 14, 2022 Share Posted August 14, 2022 14 minutes ago, messi11 said: Linked to Leeds and Palace Can’t see us letting him leave, unless we have someone else lined up to replace him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post nick76 Posted August 14, 2022 Popular Post Share Posted August 14, 2022 33 minutes ago, PieFacE said: Where? One is north of us and the other is in London 7 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChesterDad Posted August 14, 2022 Share Posted August 14, 2022 5 hours ago, lexicon said: Didn't he score the 7th most goals for a striker last year? With all due respect, ChesterDad, you need to stop living in the past. Attacking play these days is far more free form than it used to be - just look at the top 10 highest goalscorers in the league last season - only 2 out and out and strikers there in Kane and Vardy. If you don't see the value in what Ollie did yesterday, i.e. having a big hand in both goals, then I don't really know what to tell you. It's not 4-4-fakhin-2 and smoking a fag at half time anymore. I do hear what you say and I acknowledge that maybe I am looking too the past. But ultimately strikers will be judged on goals scored not how many assists they are credited with - this is just football. As I said Ollie has some good qualities - but personally I don’t feel that he is able to take the club forwards to where we all would really like to be. His touch and technique in my humble opinion are not good enough. This said, I would be delighted to be proved wrong Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DakotaVilla Posted August 14, 2022 Share Posted August 14, 2022 Don’t think we’d ever sell Watkins until his contract runs down unless a really stupid bid was made. He is the perfect squad player assuming that at some point we upgrade the forward position. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vive_La_Villa Posted August 14, 2022 Share Posted August 14, 2022 I think he played well. Defences hate him. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nepal_villan Posted August 14, 2022 Share Posted August 14, 2022 14 and 11 goals the last two seasons. Anymore and we'd be getting bids for him from Arsenal. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
messi11 Posted August 14, 2022 Share Posted August 14, 2022 6 hours ago, PieFacE said: Where? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Adman Posted August 16, 2022 Share Posted August 16, 2022 One thing my lad said to me on the weekend. If he has the ball for less than 2 seconds he's great, more than 2 seconds he's shite. We all know when he picks up and runs at a defence from deep he will run into a brick wall and screw it up. His most effective work is the instinctual stuff imo Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheMelvillan Posted August 16, 2022 Share Posted August 16, 2022 Not nearly enough love in here for the first touch he took in the box with his head from the ball that was drilled to him by mings it was class Love Ollie. If he could learn that strikers art of just lifting the ball over the keeper on a one on one he's be fine. So many of his finishes are saved by the keeper cos the shot stays so low. Needs to work on his dinks! 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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