turvontour Posted June 29, 2022 Share Posted June 29, 2022 28 minutes ago, Tom13 said: Shot accuracy just means on target I'm guessing? As he rarely hits the corners. That's my take on him, he hits the target well but often at comfortable height for keeper and not often in the corners. I suppose that's the difference between clinical and ruthless players like Son and Kane, and Watkins. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Exeter Fan Too Posted June 29, 2022 Visiting Supporter Share Posted June 29, 2022 the finishing that I'd like to see Ollie work and be coached on is not featured in this video. Its the dink over the oncoming keeper when through on goal with just the keeper to beat. I think I've seen virtually all of Ollie's 94 league goals and I can't recall one scored with a dink (unless one counts the hat-trick completing goal against Newport from outside the area). Nor many (any?) attempts at using that technique. Any body seen him score with a dink? If he added that option to his armoury he could improve his scoring record from that position 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marka Ragnos Posted June 29, 2022 VT Supporter Share Posted June 29, 2022 (edited) On 30/04/2022 at 15:15, QldVilla said: He could have had three today, his work rate was exceptional, but he isn’t clinical in front of goal. He either takes a touch instead of hitting it or hits it straight at the keeper. Three times during the game he took a touch, on two occasions it gave the defender time to get a foot in, the other was a deflection off the defender for the goal. Ironically, if the defender hadn’t of got a touch the keeper probably saves it. You haven't complicated and qualified that statement enough. Its simple, unalloyed factuality is hurting my arse. It may need to be said a few thousand more times before it becomes clear. Edited June 29, 2022 by Marka Ragnos Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
calcifer Posted June 30, 2022 Share Posted June 30, 2022 The finishing is not the problem - it the the trampoline feet. Need to play with a Velcro ball and have some on his boots, will be fine then 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tom13 Posted June 30, 2022 Share Posted June 30, 2022 3 hours ago, calcifer said: The finishing is not the problem - it the the trampoline feet. Need to play with a Velcro ball and have some on his boots, will be fine then Yes, but the finishing is certainly a part of the problem. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
roonst83 Posted June 30, 2022 Share Posted June 30, 2022 13 hours ago, Exeter Fan Too said: the finishing that I'd like to see Ollie work and be coached on is not featured in this video. Its the dink over the oncoming keeper when through on goal with just the keeper to beat. I think I've seen virtually all of Ollie's 94 league goals and I can't recall one scored with a dink (unless one counts the hat-trick completing goal against Newport from outside the area). Nor many (any?) attempts at using that technique. Any body seen him score with a dink? If he added that option to his armoury he could improve his scoring record from that position Coincidentally I've been chatting to a Brentford fan at work today about Ollie and he said how there's no finesse or elegance to Watkins's finishes, it's either 6 yard box finishes (nothing wrong with that, Ruud Van Nistlerooy made a living from it) or occasionally he can smash them in. But her remarked you won't see him dink it over the keeper or curl one beautifully, and you don't really fancy him on one-on-ones. I love seeing a player want to improve themselves. These training videos seem to demonstrate this and other playing and management staff have said similar, but I'm concerned there's parts of being a finisher that can't be taught. Ultimately I see us struggling to break away from the likes of Saints, Palace and Brighton if Watkins is our lead striker due to his limitations. Would love to be proved wrong though, of course. And I really like him and has shown great workmate at times, which isn't to be dismissed. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PieFacE Posted June 30, 2022 VT Supporter Share Posted June 30, 2022 He's not a finisher really. I wouldn't trust Watkins to score in a 1v1 at all. Good player though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
duke313 Posted June 30, 2022 Share Posted June 30, 2022 3 minutes ago, roonst83 said: Coincidentally I've been chatting to a Brentford fan at work today about Ollie and he said how there's no finesse or elegance to Watkins's finishes, it's either 6 yard box finishes (nothing wrong with that, Ruud Van Nistlerooy made a living from it) or occasionally he can smash them in. But her remarked you won't see him dink it over the keeper or curl one beautifully, and you don't really fancy him on one-on-ones. I love seeing a player want to improve themselves. These training videos seem to demonstrate this and other playing and management staff have said similar, but I'm concerned there's parts of being a finisher that can't be taught. Ultimately I see us struggling to break away from the likes of Saints, Palace and Brighton if Watkins is our lead striker due to his limitations. Would love to be proved wrong though, of course. And I really like him and has shown great workmate at times, which isn't to be dismissed. I seem to remember him curling one in against Brighton last season, and one of his goals in the 7-2 was defo in top corner from cutting in on his right. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bobzy Posted June 30, 2022 Share Posted June 30, 2022 15 minutes ago, PieFacE said: He's not a finisher really. I wouldn't trust Watkins to score in a 1v1 at all. Good player though. He’s a good finisher… but almost NOT when he has plenty of time to think. Snap shot from a corner against Man City, running length of the pitch against Brighton, turn on the box and ping against Southampton - all very good goals. But, as you say, I wouldn’t be confident with him 1 on 1 - unlike, say, Benteke when he was here. Him 1 on 1 = goal. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
roonst83 Posted June 30, 2022 Share Posted June 30, 2022 58 minutes ago, duke313 said: I seem to remember him curling one in against Brighton last season, and one of his goals in the 7-2 was defo in top corner from cutting in on his right. Fair enough. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rbcuk Posted June 30, 2022 Share Posted June 30, 2022 He can work on his shooting all he wants, it’s his many touches to get it under control that he needs to work on 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
picicata Posted June 30, 2022 Share Posted June 30, 2022 14 minutes ago, rbcuk said: He can work on his shooting all he wants, it’s his many touches to get it under control that he needs to work on I dare say that's part of the training Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
a m ole Posted June 30, 2022 Share Posted June 30, 2022 28 minutes ago, picicata said: I dare say that's part of the training Yeah what he’s doing in the video is literally create space, touch, bang. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
A'Villan Posted June 30, 2022 Share Posted June 30, 2022 Next Ollie can work on this: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marka Ragnos Posted July 2, 2022 VT Supporter Share Posted July 2, 2022 My FIFA 22 Ollie -- who continues to look nothing like Ollie, IMO, and whose hair is way too stacked up compared to Real Ollie -- just scored a hat-trick vs. Chelsea ... low-risk July signing? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sheepyvillian Posted July 2, 2022 Share Posted July 2, 2022 (edited) The fact is, some things just can't be teached . Watkins is never going to have that instinctual trait in the six - yard box like a Linekar or Cottee. That is just never going to happen. Hopefully, he can work on that first touch because at times, it's horrendous. Edited July 2, 2022 by sheepyvillian 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PeterSw Posted July 2, 2022 Share Posted July 2, 2022 Great player but always seems to need 3 good chances a game to get one goal. Any improvement on that and he could lethal for us Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sheepyvillian Posted July 2, 2022 Share Posted July 2, 2022 On 30/06/2022 at 11:32, roonst83 said: Coincidentally I've been chatting to a Brentford fan at work today about Ollie and he said how there's no finesse or elegance to Watkins's finishes, it's either 6 yard box finishes (nothing wrong with that, Ruud Van Nistlerooy made a living from it) or occasionally he can smash them in. But her remarked you won't see him dink it over the keeper or curl one beautifully, and you don't really fancy him on one-on-ones. I love seeing a player want to improve themselves. These training videos seem to demonstrate this and other playing and management staff have said similar, but I'm concerned there's parts of being a finisher that can't be taught. Ultimately I see us struggling to break away from the likes of Saints, Palace and Brighton if Watkins is our lead striker due to his limitations. Would love to be proved wrong though, of course. And I really like him and has shown great workmate at times, which isn't to be dismissed. His first goal for Villa in the Premier league was certainly elegant. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vive_La_Villa Posted July 2, 2022 Share Posted July 2, 2022 15 minutes ago, sheepyvillian said: The fact is, some things just can't be teached . Watkins is never going to have that instinctual trait in the six - yard box like a Linekar or Cottee. That is just never going to happen. Hopefully, he can work on that first touch, because, at times, it's horrendous. Really? I think he has that. It’s when he has too much time to think he seems to struggle. When he plays on instinct he can be deadly. Remember the one against Arsenal he slotted until keepers legs. Loved that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Woody1000 Posted July 2, 2022 Popular Post Share Posted July 2, 2022 7 hours ago, sheepyvillian said: The fact is, some things just can't be teached . Watkins is never going to have that instinctual trait in the six - yard box like a Linekar or Cottee. That is just never going to happen. Hopefully, he can work on that first touch, because, at times, it's horrendous. Is it grammar in your case? 6 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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