Generic Virus Thread

[It's Your Round]

They’ll do anything to not have to admit they **** up. The phrasing of their comments puts the blame on those that complain they have no PPE and insinuates they’re wrong. 
 

rocket polishers, all of them. 

[markavfc40]

 

We are being led by a bunch of self obsessed snakes whose priority is protecting the government from taking any blame.

 

Show some humility ffs. What kind of bastard can see that nurses, doctors, care home staff etc are contracting coronavirus, in some cases dying from it, and know there have been huge issues with tens of thousands of front line workers accessing the correct PPE and then not have it within themselves to say sorry instead choosing to say they are sorry if people feel they cannot get access to equipment. Or go even further and snidely accuse those we are asking to care for us, under Christ knows how much stress, of wasting PPE. Bastards.

Edited April 12, 2020 by markavfc40

[Straggler]

10 minutes ago, StefanAVFC said:

I hate these horrible bunch of bastards.

I'm sorry you feel that way about your interpretation of the evidence, I hope you will feel better when you stop interpreting things incorrectly.

[mjmooney]

1 minute ago, markavfc40 said:

 

We are being led by a bunch of self obsessed snakes whose priority is protecting the government from taking any blame.

 

Show some humility ffs. What kind of bastard can on the one hand see that nurses, doctors, care home staff etc are contracting coronavirus, in some cases dying from it, and know there have been huge issues with tens of thousands of front line workers accessing the correct PPE and then not have it within themselves to say sorry instead choosing to say they are sorry if people feel they cannot get access to equipment. Or go even further and snidely accuse those we are asking to care for us, under Christ knows how much stress, of wasting PPE. Bastards.

It's showing them in their true colours, and for that, I am glad. 

[Awol]

23 minutes ago, bickster said:

Nah, they never had this in mind, they allowed over 2000 people to enter the country unchecked from China at the same time as we were repariating from Wuham. They allowed 5,000Madrid fans into the country, Italy was in Lockdown but you could still get on a plane and walk into the UK

Never been part of any plan.

That’s my take, too. I think they executed our pandemic flu plan perfectly. When this virus turned out to be far more serious than flu, the path-dependency established by the early response measures was hard to turn around, i.e. it was already too late. 

That, combined with the failure of Cameron and Osborne to learn the lessons of the 2016 exercise has put is in a bad place. I hope those two cop for a greater amount of personal blame in the inquiry than was pinned on Blair by the Chilcot Report. 

Any politician suggesting more ‘austerity’ coming out this mess should be immediately strung up. 

[Morley_crosses_to_Withe]

56 minutes ago, LondonLax said:

Some countries are using a lockdown to get the numbers back down to a level where ‘track and trace’ becomes a viable option again, rather than just slowing the curve on the way to a herd immunity. 

The UK could still have something like this in mind. 

Yeah. Surely they can forget herd immunity as viable now if the R0 of this is as high as the new research suggests You’d need over 80% of the population to become infected to achieve herd immunity when the R0 is so high. 

Edited April 12, 2020 by Morley_crosses_to_Withe

[Morley_crosses_to_Withe]

 

40 minutes ago, StefanAVFC said:

As stated previously, no Government who watched it go to shit as rapidly as it did in France and Spain, and still let huge events (Cheltenham is the example here) go ahead can be congratulated for handling it well.

Boris wanted his jolly up at the rugby and that’s why Cheltenham was allowed to go ahead. He couldn’t cancel one and not the other. We’ve got a total “I’m alright Jack” (although he wasn’t in the end, silly word removed) crayon chomper for a PM. 

Edited April 12, 2020 by Morley_crosses_to_Withe

[foreveryoung]

48 minutes ago, It's Your Round said:

I’m shocked to see that there’s still flights coming into Heathrow from New York! How the hell can that be a sensible thing?!

Edit: and Rome and Madrid. 
 

I hope these travellers are being quarantined, somehow I feel that’s doubtful though. 

Still coming from China too and Japan, (I'm a flight radar geek look at it every day).

[foreveryoung]

13 hours ago, chrisp65 said:

Personally, when the first UK deaths started happening in January, I’d have started planning and stopped shaking hands with people and suggesting we just take it on the chin.

Still convinced me and the Mrs (and come to think of it my 5 year old had a 2 week cough) had it in december. We have never had flu like it, temp shortness of breath included. Mine lasted bout 2-3 weeks. Also a few had it at work too. A colleague I work with who does iron man stuff was off a week with it too and complained of dizzy spells inc breathing problems.  

Some specialists saying this started sept October I have read too.

[bannedfromHandV]

‘I’m sorry you feel that way’.

Its actually childish, pathetic.

I really am struggling to find a current serving member of the government whom I don’t actually and whole heartedly despise as an individual.

[bickster]

11 minutes ago, foreveryoung said:

Some specialists saying this started sept October I have read too

Where can I read this?

[Jareth]

18 minutes ago, bannedfromHandV said:

‘I’m sorry you feel that way’.

Its actually childish, pathetic.

I really am struggling to find a current serving member of the government whom I don’t actually and whole heartedly despise as an individual.

What about the chancellor - lots of people want to shag him. 

[LakotaDakota]

10 hours ago, HanoiVillan said:

To echo and build on the point @Stevo985 made, the problem with this argument is that South Korea (particularly the Seoul area), Taiwan (particularly the Taipei area) and Hong Kong all have similar population sizes to the London area, higher population densities, and higher riderships for public transport (over 90% of journeys in Hong Kong are via public transport, one of the highest in the world), and in addition, all three had greater connectivity to Wuhan via air and earlier cases than we did, yet all have much smaller outbreaks that are under much better control.

Now, it's reasonable to point out that these places are culturally different than London and the wider UK, in terms of mask-wearing, taking viruses seriously, following public health information and so on. So 'norms' might be considered to fill a part of the gap between their performance and ours. But whatever is left is the gap in 'policies', and that's what the government need to be judged on (also, they could have worked harder to change norms, and a better policy mix might have created more space for doing so - for example, if we had mass-produced masks in January and February, we could have pushed the 'norm' of mask-wearing outside in late Feb/early March, and that would have reduced the outbreak).

Wales & Scotland have both done the same things, at the same times as England. England has thousands of deaths, the others do not. As all 3 countries are physically connected The only real difference is Number of people & population density....

Edited April 12, 2020 by LakotaDakota

[HanoiVillan]

3 minutes ago, LakotaDakota said:

Wales & Scotland have both done the same things, at the same times as England. England has thousands of deaths, the others do not. The difference? Number of people & population density....

I'm not saying it's irrelevant, I'm saying it cannot be talked about as if it is the only explanation, when it clearly isn't.

[bickster]

10 minutes ago, LakotaDakota said:

Wales & Scotland have both done the same things, at the same times as England. England has thousands of deaths, the others do not. As all 3 countries are physically connected The only real difference is Number of people & population density....

Its not the ONLY difference though is it

Just off the top of my head. Welsh Lockdown law is different to English. Scottish NHS is funded by Scottish Parliament... The are LOTS of differences

[LakotaDakota]

5 minutes ago, HanoiVillan said:

I'm not saying it's irrelevant, I'm saying it cannot be talked about as if it is the only explanation, when it clearly isn't.

The culture is different but the main thing with South Korea seems to be the testing, They were testing 10,000+ per day back in Eary/mid feb so people knew if they actually had it. Over here everyone is completly clueless, Thousands of people will have been self isolationg for nothing more than a sore throat, assuming they are now fine and going out and catching it

[HanoiVillan]

10 hours ago, Awol said:

Still noticing two things the medical briefers are saying during daily press conferences that the press miss completely: first we’re still in the early stages of the pandemic, and second they are trying to slow the rate of infection so the NHS can cope. They are not trying to eradicate the virus but let it burn more slowly. 

The casualty rate top trumps seems a bit premature at this point, everything indicates this bring a long haul. I’d be very surprised if that only applies to the UK. 

I don't think I agree with this. You're right with the 'it's a marathon, not a sprint' point, but that doesn't mean it's 'premature' to be comparing approaches at this stage. For one thing, while other countries that seem to have a handle on the pandemic could certainly start doing worse, we won't be able to bring back the dead. For another, doctors and nurses are humans, and the more stress and strain we put on them now, at the start of the pandemic, the more likely they are to quit, run away, get depressed, get sick, get PTSD, die etc and then be of less or no use later on. Finally, it seems obvious that we (as a global community) need to be learning lessons from what is working and what isn't.

[DCJonah]

1 hour ago, mjmooney said:

It's showing them in their true colours, and for that, I am glad. 

The thing that's soul destroying is its so apparent and yet so many of the public think they've done a good job

[HanoiVillan]

2 minutes ago, LakotaDakota said:

The culture is different but the main thing with South Korea seems to be the testing, They were testing 10,000+ per day back in Eary/mid feb so people knew if they actually had it. Over here everyone is completly clueless, Thousands of people will have been self isolationg for nothing more than a sore throat, assuming they are now fine and going out and catching it

I agree with that - but that is in part a difference of policy, specifically our government not ordering or developing tests in sufficient quantities fast enough. It's certainly true to say they were far from alone in making that mistake (indeed you can name the countries that didn't on one hand), but it still was a mistake.

[snowychap]

Grauniad:

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A hospital trust has said it was forced intervene with Cambridgeshire police after officers stopped staff on their way to work and told them NHS ID cards were insufficient evidence of essential travel.

In its newsletter, seen by the Guardian, bosses at Cambridge University hospitals foundation trust said they had received reports from staff who had been “stopped by the police on their way to work and asked to confirm if their travel was essential”. The newsletter went on:

When staff showed their NHS ID and said they were on their way into or from work, they were advised by the police officers that this was insufficient evidence of essential travel.

Following these reports the trust has been in discussions with Cambridgeshire Constabulary. It has confirmed it will remind all police officers that such an explanation together with an NHS ID badge is sufficient evidence.

When will they get it drummed in to their sodding heads that it is not about 'essential travel'.

The regulations state: no person may leave the place where they are living without reasonable excuse.