bannedfromHandV Posted February 19, 2021 Share Posted February 19, 2021 1 hour ago, sidcow said: Weird. I bashed my elbow really really badly during the celebration when McGinn scored and the bloke in front of me was lying on the floor for most of it, no idea why. Yeah that was me..... 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Genie Posted February 19, 2021 Share Posted February 19, 2021 Furlough scheme to be extended by 6 months... first hint about Boris’s announcement on Monday. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sidcow Posted February 19, 2021 VT Supporter Share Posted February 19, 2021 https://news.sky.com/story/covid-19-oxford-jab-more-effective-when-doses-are-delivered-three-months-apart-study-finds-12222938 Quote COVID-19: Oxford jab more effective when doses are delivered three months apart, study finds The study supports the government's strategy that rolling out first doses - with a second dose after three months - is effective. Quote With three months between the first and second dose there was an overall efficacy of 81%, compared to 55% for a six-week interval. Quote The report supports the government's strategy that rolling out first doses - with a second dose after three months - is effective at reducing disease. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sidcow Posted February 19, 2021 VT Supporter Share Posted February 19, 2021 https://news.sky.com/story/covid-19-pfizer-vaccine-is-up-to-85-effective-after-first-dose-new-israeli-study-finds-12222164 Quote COVID-19: New study reveals how effective Pfizer's vaccine is after the first dose Quote The study found that all infections, including asymptomatic, were reduced by 75% after the first dose Quote The latest study will be seen as a boost to the UK government's decision to delay the second vaccine dose well beyond the manufacturer's recommendation of three weeks Quote Professor Leshem said he likes more cautious statements, but added: "I would say there is some evidence to support the decision to postpone the second dose, because, on one hand, we seem to have very good effectiveness of the first dose: early and high effectiveness. "And on the other hand, postponing the second dose will allow much higher coverage... given the limited vaccine supply 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Xela Posted February 19, 2021 Share Posted February 19, 2021 52 minutes ago, Genie said: Furlough scheme to be extended by 6 months... first hint about Boris’s announcement on Monday. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brumerican Posted February 19, 2021 Share Posted February 19, 2021 4 minutes ago, Xela said: Pretty much how economics works isn't it ? The whole system is built on sand and controlled by people who don't give a damn about the people at the bottom. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ender4 Posted February 19, 2021 Share Posted February 19, 2021 1 hour ago, Genie said: Furlough scheme to be extended by 6 months... first hint about Boris’s announcement on Monday. 6 months would be pretty crazy. 3 more months then review seems more sensible. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Seat68 Posted February 20, 2021 Popular Post Share Posted February 20, 2021 I quite like this and find it pertinent to this thread. 9 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Genie Posted February 20, 2021 Popular Post Share Posted February 20, 2021 1 hour ago, Seat68 said: I quite like this and find it pertinent to this thread. They also call people “sheeple” who are themselves blindly following conspiracy theories and unregulated, unreliable news sources. 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wazzap24 Posted February 20, 2021 Share Posted February 20, 2021 My 23 year old son got a call yesterday to go for his jab today. No underlying health conditions. He suffers with moderate/severe MH depression, but nothing physical. Seems a bit random?! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post chrisp65 Posted February 20, 2021 Popular Post Share Posted February 20, 2021 10 minutes ago, wazzap24 said: My 23 year old son got a call yesterday to go for his jab today. No underlying health conditions. He suffers with moderate/severe MH depression, but nothing physical. Seems a bit random?! How tall is he? 8 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jackbauer24 Posted February 20, 2021 Share Posted February 20, 2021 14 hours ago, sidcow said: https://news.sky.com/story/covid-19-oxford-jab-more-effective-when-doses-are-delivered-three-months-apart-study-finds-12222938 I've read this article, in a few different forms, and it confuses me... What it seems to suggest is get Jab 1 and you get 76% protection that doesn't drop for three months. Get Jab 2 after 12 weeks and you increase your protection by about 5% (there's a question of value in that for another time) But get Jab 2 after 6 weeks and your protection DROPS to 55%. How does that work?! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sidcow Posted February 20, 2021 VT Supporter Share Posted February 20, 2021 4 minutes ago, jackbauer24 said: I've read this article, in a few different forms, and it confuses me... What it seems to suggest is get Jab 1 and you get 76% protection that doesn't drop for three months. Get Jab 2 after 12 weeks and you increase your protection by about 5% (there's a question of value in that for another time) But get Jab 2 after 6 weeks and your protection DROPS to 55%. How does that work?! Don't know. I've just read another article that states the same. Maybe they are missing something about these tests being done 6 or 9 months after injection or something? You can't have 76% which then reduces on second injection, I suspect the measure is taken several months down the line after both injections have occurred. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jackbauer24 Posted February 20, 2021 Share Posted February 20, 2021 14 minutes ago, sidcow said: Don't know. I've just read another article that states the same. Maybe they are missing something about these tests being done 6 or 9 months after injection or something? You can't have 76% which then reduces on second injection, I suspect the measure is taken several months down the line after both injections have occurred. Really confused and there hasn't been enough time between the vaccine being approved and them knowing it's effectiveness over time surely? How can they know it's still effective 6 months later when people started being given them in late January?! Once again, all this stuff gets pumped out in to the press but no one says 'wait a second, this doesn't make any sense...' Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sidcow Posted February 20, 2021 VT Supporter Share Posted February 20, 2021 (edited) 15 minutes ago, jackbauer24 said: Really confused and there hasn't been enough time between the vaccine being approved and them knowing it's effectiveness over time surely? How can they know it's still effective 6 months later when people started being given them in late January?! Once again, all this stuff gets pumped out in to the press but no one says 'wait a second, this doesn't make any sense...' If you look at The Lancet the trials began in April 2020 so the first injections took place 10 months ago. The second injections in the 3 month would have been delivered 7 months ago. Why so suspicious? The Lancet is peer reviewed by top scientists. I'm pretty sure if it was nonsense it would have been called out. Edited February 20, 2021 by sidcow Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jackbauer24 Posted February 20, 2021 Share Posted February 20, 2021 Just now, sidcow said: If you look at The Lancet the trials began in April 2020 so the first injections took place 10 months ago. The second injections would have been delivered 7 months ago. Why so suspicious? Not suspicious, maybe it's phrased wrong. I'm more irritated by the press than the science behind it - it's just pumped out without clarity and understanding. Press should explain complex issues to the public, not just publish articles like the first one that make no sense whatsoever, as you agree. In fact, it's things like that which CREATE conspiracy and suspicion as it's so strange. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sidcow Posted February 20, 2021 VT Supporter Share Posted February 20, 2021 1 minute ago, jackbauer24 said: Not suspicious, maybe it's phrased wrong. I'm more irritated by the press than the science behind it - it's just pumped out without clarity and understanding. Press should explain complex issues to the public, not just publish articles like the first one that make no sense whatsoever, as you agree. In fact, it's things like that which CREATE conspiracy and suspicion as it's so strange. I think if you are looking for how conspiracy and suspicion is created you should look more at social media than genuine press sources reporting basic actual facts, if not explaining them in full detail. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Genie Posted February 20, 2021 Share Posted February 20, 2021 From March, care homes in England will allow residents 1 regular visitor whereas Scotland will allow 2. At this point I think if England were allowing 2 Scotland would go with 1. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sidcow Posted February 20, 2021 VT Supporter Share Posted February 20, 2021 (edited) I've noticed the second doses have started to creep up. They've mainly been doing 2-4k per day for the last several weeks. Early this week is was 8k odd and the last 3 days 15k plus each day. I assume this will now gradually increase daily till they are doing hundreds of thousands of second doses a day. Edited February 20, 2021 by sidcow Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PaulC Posted February 20, 2021 Share Posted February 20, 2021 21 hours ago, Genie said: Furlough scheme to be extended by 6 months... first hint about Boris’s announcement on Monday. Yes and the universal credit top-up of £20 a week is to be extended for 6 months too. But I think they will have to make that permanent because if they take it away in 6 months many people would starve Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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