Keyblade Posted February 16, 2020 Share Posted February 16, 2020 Shouldn't be starting anymore. He'll need 20 consecutive games to get up to speed. We don't have that luxury. Sorry Danny. Cautionary tale of going to a "big" club just to warm the bench for a couple of years. He might never get back in the groove at this point. Career at the top level effectively over at 30. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zhan_Zhuang Posted February 16, 2020 Share Posted February 16, 2020 Yeah he's been out into cold for so long he's forgotten how to play.... Again like Wesley, Smith is justifying this one comes good and I just can't see it. Play Nakamba instead, Hourihane would offer more than Drinkwater too. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zhan_Zhuang Posted February 16, 2020 Share Posted February 16, 2020 (edited) *edit double-post....this guy's so bad I had to say it twice Edited February 16, 2020 by Zhan_Zhuang Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tomaszk Posted February 17, 2020 Share Posted February 17, 2020 He definitely knows what he's trying to do. His body just isn't letting him. Nerves really kicked in today which I didn't even see in the City game, he was panicking on the ball constantly. Frustrating he's still in no shape tbh, yes it isn't easy but I'd have thought we could have got more done with him in 4 weeks, especially when he's been getting first team minutes. He needs a tough, very unpleasant pre-season to get himself sorted. As has been said above, we don't have that. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Philosopher Posted February 17, 2020 Share Posted February 17, 2020 I thought he did ok. Still needs to get up to speed, but i see us keeping possession better when he is on the pitch. When he came off Tottenham took over in terms of possession. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Philosopher Posted February 17, 2020 Share Posted February 17, 2020 3 hours ago, siminjo said: without being hyperbole, i think he must surely be PL`s slowest player by some distance. There was one moment he had atleast 10 m headstart to the ball, and the ball was only 10 meters away, still he lost the running duel. But somehow i still think he is better than the duo of nakamba and luiz because then our midfield is non existent for much of the game. We had much more possesion then we usually have with him in it. Don`t ask me how, becuase i can`t understand it myself. It's because he keeps the ball moving without rushing to play high risk passes. His passing range is his best asset, and he positions himself well. Has always been slow so needs legs alongside him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KentVillan Posted February 17, 2020 Share Posted February 17, 2020 I'd be keen to see an edit of Drinkwater's performance today, because I feel like there were plenty of good moments interspersed with some running through treacle. Was a very odd performance - not a total shocker, but it was really concerning to see a player whose main attribute used to be his engine and athleticism now look shot to pieces. You expect it from someone like Lansbury, but you don't from a player like Drinkwater. The sad thing is you compare James Milner and Danny Drinkwater at age 25 and there isn't a huge gulf between them. Both unfussy, non-technical midfielders with great engines and good decision making. Both with one league title under their belts. Milner also had to contend with being a squad player at a big club. But Milner handled the situation much better, and now has 2 league titles with a third on the way, a Champions League, etc. All because he looked after himself. I really hope we get something better out of DD, I really do. Got nothing against the man. I'm sure he's doing all the right things here, but you can't turn a career around in a month. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Philosopher Posted February 17, 2020 Share Posted February 17, 2020 (edited) 7 minutes ago, KentVillan said: I'd be keen to see an edit of Drinkwater's performance today, because I feel like there were plenty of good moments interspersed with some running through treacle. Was a very odd performance - not a total shocker, but it was really concerning to see a player whose main attribute used to be his engine and athleticism now look shot to pieces. You expect it from someone like Lansbury, but you don't from a player like Drinkwater. The sad thing is you compare James Milner and Danny Drinkwater at age 25 and there isn't a huge gulf between them. Both unfussy, non-technical midfielders with great engines and good decision making. Both with one league title under their belts. Milner also had to contend with being a squad player at a big club. But Milner handled the situation much better, and now has 2 league titles with a third on the way, a Champions League, etc. All because he looked after himself. I really hope we get something better out of DD, I really do. Got nothing against the man. I'm sure he's doing all the right things here, but you can't turn a career around in a month. Not sure you ever watched him for Leicester. It was his positioning and passing. Diagonal balls right into the path of Vardy were his bread and butter. Kante was the athlete and engine. Always been slow as molasses. Foe Leicester was usually in the right position to be able to put his foot in or foul without getting booked. Is a clever player. Just not sharp yet, but improving and getting there. Edited February 17, 2020 by Philosopher Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KentVillan Posted February 17, 2020 Share Posted February 17, 2020 2 minutes ago, Philosopher said: Not sure you ever watched him for Leicester. It was his positioning and passing. Diagonal balls right into the path of Vardy were his bread and butter. Kante was the athlete and engine. Always been slow as molasses. Okay. I watched most of their televised games that season. He had a great engine. Not as amazing as Kante's, but whose is? He is much slower now than he was 5 years ago. Not sure I understand which bit of my post you're disputing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Philosopher Posted February 17, 2020 Share Posted February 17, 2020 (edited) 7 minutes ago, KentVillan said: Okay. I watched most of their televised games that season. He had a great engine. Not as amazing as Kante's, but whose is? He is much slower now than he was 5 years ago. Not sure I understand which bit of my post you're disputing. He was slow then same as now. He doesn't have a great engine. It's ok that is all always held position in front of the back 4, read the game well and positions himself accordingly. Never really put himself about, was just efficient and disciplined. McGinn, Kante, Milner, Wijnaldum those are great engines. Edited February 17, 2020 by Philosopher Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheMightyVillans Posted February 17, 2020 Share Posted February 17, 2020 By the time he gets up to 100% match fitness we will be relegated. He needs to be coming off the bench from now on. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PrimevalVillan Posted February 17, 2020 Share Posted February 17, 2020 It just looks like his legs are gone. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
villalad21 Posted February 17, 2020 Share Posted February 17, 2020 I'd rather play with 10 men than having Drinkwater in the team. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Hawk Posted February 17, 2020 Share Posted February 17, 2020 1 hour ago, villalad21 said: I'd rather play with 10 men than having Drinkwater in the team. Nah Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AVTuco Posted February 17, 2020 VT Supporter Share Posted February 17, 2020 3 hours ago, villalad21 said: I'd rather play with 10 men than having Drinkwater in the team. Sigh... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Philosopher Posted February 17, 2020 Share Posted February 17, 2020 7 hours ago, PrimevalVillan said: It just looks like his legs are gone. Never had legs. That's not his game! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Philosopher Posted February 17, 2020 Share Posted February 17, 2020 We dominated midfield yesterday with DD a major reason for that. We lost because we couldn't handle the running of Son and Moura in behind. Simple balls over the top and straight through us catching primarily Konsa and Engels ball watching. Although Hause and our fullbacks were also guilty of this to a lesser extent. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Graham t Posted February 17, 2020 Share Posted February 17, 2020 24 minutes ago, AVTuco said: Sigh... Frankly if I was Danny Drinkwater I would be asking the manager not to play me to to save me further embarrassment. Just shows how dim Smith is..".. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Graham t Posted February 17, 2020 Share Posted February 17, 2020 4 minutes ago, Philosopher said: We dominated midfield yesterday with DD a major reason for that. We lost because we couldn't handle the running of Son and Moura in behind. Simple balls over the top and straight through us catching primarily Konsa and Engels ball watching. Although Hause and our fullbacks were also guilty of this to a lesser extent. We did have short periods of control against a very poor Spurs side. Mainly that was due to Jack doing the work of two men. Drinkwater is just downright poor and shouldn't be selected. You are right about our defence though, truly shockingly bad, as proved by our goals against tally. ATB, VLD. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kingman Posted February 17, 2020 Share Posted February 17, 2020 (edited) When he signed i jokingly said McGinn will be match fit before Drinkwater. That is no longer a joke! I'm beginning to think he has a Cleverley type must start if fit clause in his loan contract. Edited February 17, 2020 by Kingman Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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