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2 minutes ago, Rolta said:

He's one of our two best fit CMs. I'm actually surprised at the hate on here—I thought he was OK on Sunday. He got badly outpaced one time for sure, but who was that against?

His calmness is on another level to Nakamba's.

Agreed, it's almost like he's half asleep from time to time.

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 He's either shitting his pants on the ball or is incapable of turning and playing the ball forward. I really want him to come good, but do we have time for him to find his feet? I'd rather see Nakamba play and bleed Drinkwater in off the bench.

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1 hour ago, AV82 said:

 He's either shitting his pants on the ball or is incapable of turning and playing the ball forward. I really want him to come good, but do we have time for him to find his feet? I'd rather see Nakamba play and bleed Drinkwater in off the bench.

I desperately wanted him to come good for you but I think his lack of playing time over the last 2.5 years has taken a toll on him. His passing percentage of 85% is nothing special and his lack of mobility is quite obvious. I agree with AV82 that he would be better used coming off the bench for shorter spells but my confidence in him has dropped drastically. 

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8 hours ago, GingerCollins29 said:

There was a point in the spurs game where one of their player WALKED past DD with the ball and then DD fell over. Was like watching phil from K3 get his chance as a competition winner. Embarassing. I'd put him below lansbury in terms of midfield options.

This is what baffles me.  Has shown nothing more than what Lansbury could have done.

Hourihane offers more.

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5 hours ago, Thug said:

This is what baffles me.  Has shown nothing more than what Lansbury could have done.

Hourihane offers more.

Nah, he's better than those two IMO despite his limitations.  Doesn't make him good enough, though. 

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I'm really struggling with him but what's the answer.  I really dont want him starting again.....Luiz looks a different player when he comes off the bench than when he starts, Nakamba seems to have great games, then bang average/below average games and DD just seems a pace off everything (is this lack of game time or is this just the player he is now - who knows).  Conor I love but just looks not up to this level as a starter but better to come on later otherwise he goes missing during the game. I think I'd just start with Luiz and Nakamba until McGinn comes back.

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20 minutes ago, nick76 said:

I'm really struggling with him but what's the answer.  I really dont want him starting again.....Luiz looks a different player when he comes off the bench than when he starts, Nakamba seems to have great games, then bang average/below average games and DD just seems a pace off everything (is this lack of game time or is this just the player he is now - who knows).  Conor I love but just looks not up to this level as a starter but better to come on later otherwise he goes missing during the game. I think I'd just start with Luiz and Nakamba until McGinn comes back.

Start Conor. I don't know where the myth that he's only good as an impact sub comes from. He's scored only 1 league goal from coming on as a sub, the rest of his goals and assists all came from him starting the match.

I feel people don't realize just how good Conor's strike rate is for a central midfielder. He has the highest strike rate of any CM in the PL so far aside from Jonjo Shelvey. And he's obtained it while playing a significant amount of time as DM as well. Not to mention he's assist contribution is good as well. In a team which can give Conor the freedom to concentrate on his attacking duties, he'd be perfect.

 As I've mentioned in the Conor thread, the idea that Drinkwater does anything to put himself above Conor is absurd. Yes, we're not exactly starving for goals and need shoring up the defence more but ****'s sake, does Drinkwater really shore up the defence with what he's doing? Just have a look at the amount of times he's been dribble past and his tackle rate. And in exchange, we're giving up one of most dangerous attacking outlets and our only threat on set pieces.

Luiz and Nakamba just don't work together for whatever reason. We've seen it time and time again. Luiz is great as an impact sub though and can come on for Conor or Nakamba if needed.

 

 

 

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2 minutes ago, Laughable Chimp said:

Start Conor. I don't know where the myth that he's only good as an impact sub comes from. He's scored only 1 league goal from coming on as a sub, the rest of his goals and assists all came from him starting the match.

I feel people don't realize just how good Conor's strike rate is for a central midfielder. He has the highest strike rate of any CM in the PL so far aside from Jonjo Shelvey. And he's obtained it while playing a significant amount of time as DM as well. Not to mention he's assist contribution is great as well. In a team which can give Conor the freedom to concentrate on his attacking duties, he'd be perfect.

 As I've mentioned in the Conor thread, the idea that Drinkwater does anything to put himself above Conor is absurd. Yes, we're not exactly starving for goals and need shoring up the defence more but ****'s sake, does Drinkwater really shore up the defence with what he's doing? Just have a look at the amount of times he's been dribble past and his tackle rate. And in exchange, we're giving up one of most dangerous attacking outlets and our only threat on set pieces.

 

Maybe I'm wrong then, just felt when he started the game passed him by and he wasnt involved in anything until the set piece side of the game was needed.  Again perceptions and recall maybe wrong but I did watch him specifically when he did play because I have been focusing on midfield because while I knew we were missing a scoring striker our midfield was weak both defensively and attacking wise.

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11 minutes ago, nick76 said:

Maybe I'm wrong then, just felt when he started the game passed him by and he wasnt involved in anything until the set piece side of the game was needed.  Again perceptions and recall maybe wrong but I did watch him specifically when he did play because I have been focusing on midfield because while I knew we were missing a scoring striker our midfield was weak both defensively and attacking wise.

I don't disagree that he goes missing in a match a lot and that does weaken our midfield. But when he does pop up he tends to contribute with a goal or an assist and that like it or not, means something. It is the point of the game ffs. Scoring goals.

Now, if the debate is between a player who shores up the midfield but doesn't really contribute much attacking wise verses a player like Conor then I can see the logic. But Drinkwater doesn't do that imo. The best thing people can say about him is that he makes himself open for the pass, but then proceeds to do nothing productive with it. That's it. I've already waxed lyrical about how poor his defensive stats are so I won't repeat them again here. I swear the only reason his passing percentage is so high last game was because he was essentially playing the Nakamba role and giving it off in short passes to the nearest player(which also explains why Nakamba's passing completion rate is so high too despite seemingly not being able to pass at times) whenever he got them, except that to play the Nakamba role you have to actually tackle a player so he was really more like a shit Ashley Westwood. To sum it all up again, he provides nothing of worth to the team so the idea that he is a better option compared to our only set piece specialist and one of our most dangerous attacking outlets is beyond me.

 

 

 

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On 19/02/2020 at 19:36, nick76 said:

I'm really struggling with him but what's the answer.  I really dont want him starting again.....Luiz looks a different player when he comes off the bench than when he starts, Nakamba seems to have great games, then bang average/below average games and DD just seems a pace off everything (is this lack of game time or is this just the player he is now - who knows).  Conor I love but just looks not up to this level as a starter but better to come on later otherwise he goes missing during the game. I think I'd just start with Luiz and Nakamba until McGinn comes back.

I think the sad fact is for different reasons, none of them are good enough.

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On 19/02/2020 at 20:09, Laughable Chimp said:

I don't disagree that he goes missing in a match a lot and that does weaken our midfield. But when he does pop up he tends to contribute with a goal or an assist and that like it or not, means something. It is the point of the game ffs. Scoring goals.

Now, if the debate is between a player who shores up the midfield but doesn't really contribute much attacking wise verses a player like Conor then I can see the logic. But Drinkwater doesn't do that imo. The best thing people can say about him is that he makes himself open for the pass, but then proceeds to do nothing productive with it. That's it. I've already waxed lyrical about how poor his defensive stats are so I won't repeat them again here. I swear the only reason his passing percentage is so high last game was because he was essentially playing the Nakamba role and giving it off in short passes to the nearest player(which also explains why Nakamba's passing completion rate is so high too despite seemingly not being able to pass at times) whenever he got them, except that to play the Nakamba role you have to actually tackle a player so he was really more like a shit Ashley Westwood. To sum it all up again, he provides nothing of worth to the team so the idea that he is a better option compared to our only set piece specialist and one of our most dangerous attacking outlets is beyond me.

 

 

 

No it isn't......winning games is.

That view is what's landed us in this situiation....its naive.

The question we all have to ask is? ......Do you want to win Games or gain points......or just look good.....We all want to look good, but without the back up to deny the opposition, we end up ,benevolent.....that is naive football.

The sad fact is we haven't got the personnel to do both.....IMO we have chosen the wrong route, in the short term.

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I’m really struggling to see the positives that others are mentioning here.  I truly believe he’s been nothing short of awful.  
I don’t recall any great passes, or tackles, or shots, or anything.  All I can remember is being late to the ball, poor touches and people running past him like he’s not there.

This is a total tragedy, not just in my opinion, but also in the opinion of WhoScored - who make him the 14th WORST player in the WORLD currently (out of 2500+ players).  All the other players with statistical ratings as bad as his have played one or 2 games max.  Infact, you have to get to the 180th worst ranked player to find someone who has started 4 games or more!

Not only has he been poor, he’s been consistently poor.

I honestly don’t know what games his ‘defenders’ have been watching.

 

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Can’t help but think it looks like his legs have gone, so slow and easy to play around, like Lansbury but worse.

He can’t have been that slow when playing for Leicester surely? And I don’t think it’s match fitness either, match fitness shows up around 60 mins when people are blowing out their arses, he doesn’t end up looking particularly tired, he just looks slow.

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