The Hung Like a Donkey General Election December 2019 Thread

[StefanAVFC]

Just now, villa4europe said:

labour misinterpret the significance of rich people in the mindset of the poor, from my experience poor people hate poorer people more than they hate the rich, mainly because the disparity between them is small and labour will make it smaller, what's the point of your grind in that case? there's a want to disassociate yourself with "scroungers" and minimum wage earners in order to feel worthwhile in what you're doing, the tories in a warped way provide that whereas labour are the opposite

I know a lot of working class tory voters, majority I would say are of the belief that they are working for a lower middle class future for their kids

That is mental IMO.

And exactly why I said they'd be duped! They've been manipulated into thinking that poorer people than them are the problem. Turkeys voting for Christmas.

[Genie]

1 minute ago, magnkarl said:

If you think Corbyn's only connections to undesirables are photographs then you are wrong my friend.

I think all of the main leaders will "connections" to people all over the globe. Doesn't make that person a danger to the British public.

[magnkarl]

3 minutes ago, Genie said:

I think all of the main leaders will "connections" to people all over the globe. Doesn't make that person a danger to the British public.

I think as a society we should strive to have leaders who aren't as mentally and ethically flawed as both JC and BJ are. We shouldn't be voting for either of them. There are plenty of examples of leaders in Europe and abroad who aren't as bonkers as these two fools.

Edited December 12, 2019 by magnkarl

[tonyh29]

the exit polls will be interesting  ... we were approached about carrying them out , but it was far too big a project for us ... another company has taken it on and found out that , surprise surprise , its also too big for them ... in some cases they are just leaving a box with a pen and paper and asking people to indicate how they voted , someone will go around and collect these papers every hour or so  ..in some cases they've asked people to see if their neighbours might help them cover a polling staton  , even heard a rumour some have been asked take your grandkids along to help but I'll take that one with a pinch of salt .

ok its not rocket science to collect this data , but there is no quality control or guarantee over sample  .. they might pull a Homer , but equally it could be the worst exit poll in living memory ... oh and they are running the project at a huge lose as they feel the prestige will be worth it    ..... anyway carry on , just a bit of added interest for me at least

 

 

[Jareth]

Just now, magnkarl said:

I think as a society we should strive to have leaders who aren't as mentally and ethically flawed as both JC and BJ are. We shouldn't be voting for either of them.

I'm not sure JC was ever supposed to a leader, more an agent for change - which he has achieved. BJ and his family have coveted power his entire life, doing whatever it takes to get it - so yep I agree, neither are ideal - but ya gotta choose a side this time and personally I will go for the 'party' that's going to improve things. Course if BoJo's Brexit is more important to folks then I would understand that too - ye gotta go with ya gut. 

[hippo]

3 minutes ago, magnkarl said:

I think as a society we should strive to have leaders who aren't as mentally and ethically flawed as both JC and BJ are. We shouldn't be voting for either of them. There are plenty of examples of leaders in Europe and abroad who aren't as bonkers as these two fools.

Not sure there is.

In Europe its more consensus politics - so politicians work together to come to an acceptable compromise. Ours don't - its all or nothing - you call the other guy names, discredit him/her - then if you do it well enough your policy go through.  

[hippo]

2 minutes ago, tonyh29 said:

the exit polls will be interesting  ... we were approached about carrying them out , but it was far too big a project for us ... another company has taken it on and found out that , surprise surprise , its also too big for them ... in some cases they are just leaving a box with a pen and paper and asking people to indicate how they voted , someone will go around and collect these papers every hour or so  ..in some cases they've asked people to see if their neighbours might help them cover a polling staton  , even heard a rumour some have been asked take your grandkids along to help but I'll take that one with a pinch of salt .

ok its not rocket science to collect this data , but there is no quality control or guarantee over sample  .. they might pull a Homer , but equally it could be the worst exit poll in living memory ... oh and they are running the project at a huge lose as they feel the prestige will be worth it    ..... anyway carry on , just a bit of added interest for me at least

 

 

The Exit polls have been very accurate in recent times though ? 

[Rodders]

there was an old lady with a clipboard asking for details when we came out, I didn't see the blue rosette at first but all she was asking was how many voted, not who for, not sure what that detail can tell them beyond sheer volume. Perhaps I was supposed to assume by the rosette that if I chatted to her I was saying we voted for the blues I dunno. 

[magnkarl]

3 minutes ago, hippo said:

Not sure there is.

In Europe its more consensus politics - so politicians work together to come to an acceptable compromise. Ours don't - its all or nothing - you call the other guy names, discredit him/her - then if you do it well enough your policy go through.  

I don't agree. What makes JC and BJ horrible people isn't due to our politics. They are simply shady characters put at the top due to our ruined political system. They would be idiots if they weren't party leaders in the UK too. As a country our political scene is so anemic that these two people are all we can muster at the top of the two biggest parties. No way in hell would Corbyn be leader of the socialist democratic party in either of the countries he so covets in Scandinavia, they simply hold people to a higher standard rather then let them have a pass due to "ah BJ is worse so I'll vote Corbyn anyway!".

Edited December 12, 2019 by magnkarl

[hippo]

1 minute ago, magnkarl said:

I don't agree. What makes JC and BJ horrible people isn't due to our politics. They are simply shady characters put at the top due to our ruined political system. They would be idiots if they weren't party leaders in the UK too.

They aren't idiots - I don't like BJ - or the tories - but he isn't an idiot...

[Genie]

1 minute ago, hippo said:

They aren't idiots - I don't like BJ - or the tories - but he isn't an idiot...

He is though.

 

[StefanAVFC]

He isn't. I detest the man but he isn't an idiot.

[WhatAboutTheFinish]

4 minutes ago, hippo said:

The Exit polls have been very accurate in recent times though ? 

Yeah pretty good. Think I read this morning they were wrong in 1992 and 2015...when they predicted a hung parliament only for a tory majority to be returned. 

[villa4europe]

13 minutes ago, StefanAVFC said:

That is mental IMO.

And exactly why I said they'd be duped! They've been manipulated into thinking that poorer people than them are the problem. Turkeys voting for Christmas.

not really

take my brother for example, works at vision labs factory in kiddy, currently working doubles and weekends if he can get them to pay for Christmas, he's a supervisor so on maybe £12-14 an hour (maybe...)

how does he react to the headline that Corbyn wants to get mcdonalds workers £15 an hour? "**** that word removed"

what does the real living wage of £10 do? makes all the people below him earn more, diminishing the benefit of his supervisor role

there is a belief that labour will be of more benefit to those below him than there will be to him, the gap between those below him and him will close the gap between him and those above him will stay exactly the same

he will vote tory

[StefanAVFC]

Just now, villa4europe said:

not really

take my brother for example, works at vision labs factory in kiddy, currently working doubles and weekends if he can get them to pay for Christmas, he's a supervisor so on maybe £12-14 an hour (maybe...)

how does he react to the headline that Corbyn wants to get mcdonalds workers £15 an hour? "**** that word removed"

what does the real living wage of £10 do? makes all the people below him earn more, diminishing the benefit of his supervisor role

there is a belief that labour will be of more benefit to those below him than there will be to him, the gap between those below him and him will close the gap between him and those above him will stay exactly the same

he will vote tory

Does he think the policy only applies to McDonalds workers? **** me.

It would push him upwards too. He wouldn't be left on 10 quid an hour whilst a burger flipper gets 15.

Senseless. Duped.

[rubberman]

26 minutes ago, StefanAVFC said:

Early predictions?
Tory majority of 50.

I'm going for the more hopeful, but no less disastrous Tory majority of 10.  But including Raab + IDS out as a small silver lining.

[magnkarl]

7 minutes ago, hippo said:

They aren't idiots - I don't like BJ - or the tories - but he isn't an idiot...

In my mind you are an idiot when you behave in any way shape or form like a racist, which they are both guilty of many times over.

[Chindie]

Small Tory majority.

If it ends up a hung parliament I'll be overjoyed.

[rubberman]

2 minutes ago, villa4europe said:

not really

take my brother for example, works at vision labs factory in kiddy, currently working doubles and weekends if he can get them to pay for Christmas, he's a supervisor so on maybe £12-14 an hour (maybe...)

how does he react to the headline that Corbyn wants to get mcdonalds workers £15 an hour? "**** that word removed"

what does the real living wage of £10 do? makes all the people below him earn more, diminishing the benefit of his supervisor role

there is a belief that labour will be of more benefit to those below him than there will be to him, the gap between those below him and him will close the gap between him and those above him will stay exactly the same

he will vote tory

Tories also have £10.50 minimum wage in their manifesto, so...¯\_(ツ)_/¯

[villa4europe]

1 minute ago, StefanAVFC said:

Does he think the policy only applies to McDonalds workers? **** me.

It would push him upwards too. He wouldn't be left on 10 quid an hour whilst a burger flipper gets 15.

Senseless. Duped.

the belief that privately owned companies will be forced by a labour government to give every one of their workers a pay rise

but he's the one duped...