OutByEaster? Posted January 7, 2023 Moderator Share Posted January 7, 2023 Hopefully he'll get off the bench in the second half. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tinker Posted January 7, 2023 VT Supporter Share Posted January 7, 2023 Hes just come on Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steero113 Posted January 7, 2023 Share Posted January 7, 2023 They got f**king pumped. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MWARLEY2 Posted January 7, 2023 Share Posted January 7, 2023 1 hour ago, Steero113 said: They got f**king pumped. Brighton are a proper threat under Di Zerbi. They are going to smash alot of teams. Just shows the difference between the 2 leagues Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ferguson1 Posted January 7, 2023 Share Posted January 7, 2023 1 hour ago, Steero113 said: They got f**king pumped. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KAZZAM Posted January 11, 2023 Share Posted January 11, 2023 Couldn't he had got 'better' loan than the championship? I mean Balogun struggled in the championship and now has 10 in 17 while playing for reims in Ligue 1. Balogun has Seemingly 'overtaken' a stagnated Archer in development now. Does Archer have much else to prove in the championship? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
turvontour Posted January 11, 2023 Share Posted January 11, 2023 3 minutes ago, KAZZAM said: Couldn't he had got 'better' loan than the championship? I mean Balogun struggled in the championship and now has 10 in 17 while playing for reims in Ligue 1. Balogun has Seemingly 'overtaken' a stagnated Archer in development now. Does Archer have much else to prove in the championship? It's a good point but who in the premier league? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KAZZAM Posted January 11, 2023 Share Posted January 11, 2023 3 minutes ago, turvontour said: It's a good point but who in the premier league? Not sure about the Premier league, however other leagues like Portuguese or Dutch are a possibility. I mean if Archer goes and scores 10 goals for Boro now in 20 odd games what does that even achieve? Won't make him good enough for us and won't add much value as he's done that already. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OutByEaster? Posted January 11, 2023 Moderator Share Posted January 11, 2023 Is Ligue 1 better than the Championship? I mean, I know it has a couple of very good sides at the top, and I know it's a different style of football that would be a good education for a young player, but is it a higher standard overall? I think part of the reason we've loaned him to the Championship is so that if the opportunity arises we can make good money off him from a Championship club. I think the same has been true of Davis. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gwi1890 Posted January 11, 2023 Share Posted January 11, 2023 5 minutes ago, OutByEaster? said: Is Ligue 1 better than the Championship? I mean, I know it has a couple of very good sides at the top, and I know it's a different style of football that would be a good education for a young player, but is it a higher standard overall? I think part of the reason we've loaned him to the Championship is so that if the opportunity arises we can make good money off him from a Championship club. I think the same has been true of Davis. Exactly a successful loan at a promoted club could land us £20m. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OutByEaster? Posted January 11, 2023 Moderator Share Posted January 11, 2023 6 minutes ago, gwi1890 said: Exactly a successful loan at a promoted club could land us £20m. Or £10m from a relegated club. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thabucks Posted January 11, 2023 Share Posted January 11, 2023 Have a feeling he won’t make it here and not sure how I feel about that … Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gwi1890 Posted January 11, 2023 Share Posted January 11, 2023 2 minutes ago, thabucks said: Have a feeling he won’t make it here and not sure how I feel about that … Who knows, but if we can get a decent fee it profit and it funds the development of the next academy players. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Laughable Chimp Posted January 12, 2023 Share Posted January 12, 2023 5 hours ago, KAZZAM said: Couldn't he had got 'better' loan than the championship? I mean Balogun struggled in the championship and now has 10 in 17 while playing for reims in Ligue 1. Balogun has Seemingly 'overtaken' a stagnated Archer in development now. Does Archer have much else to prove in the championship? Honestly, yeah. He only had half a season in the championship and he wasn’t that good. Could definitely do with proving himself further. For example, you say balogun struggled in the championship? He had a goal or an assist every 150 minutes in the championship. Archer had a goal or an assist every 200 minutes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MentalM Posted January 12, 2023 Share Posted January 12, 2023 5 hours ago, Laughable Chimp said: Honestly, yeah. He only had half a season in the championship and he wasn’t that good. Could definitely do with proving himself further. For example, you say balogun struggled in the championship? He had a goal or an assist every 150 minutes in the championship. Archer had a goal or an assist every 200 minutes. Balogun didnt end up being a starter in Championship, that for me is an indication that Archer had a more successful loan spell that season. He did very well in Preston, as we can see on their fans reaction both at the time and the dissappointment they had of not getting him again. He does have to get game time and Championship is a great level for that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zatman Posted January 12, 2023 Author Share Posted January 12, 2023 10 hours ago, OutByEaster? said: Is Ligue 1 better than the Championship? I mean, I know it has a couple of very good sides at the top, and I know it's a different style of football that would be a good education for a young player, but is it a higher standard overall? I think part of the reason we've loaned him to the Championship is so that if the opportunity arises we can make good money off him from a Championship club. I think the same has been true of Davis. Maybe but he would learn a lot more in France or Netherlands for example as I imagine the football is more technical and the coaching is a better standard plus a change in lifestyle Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Delphinho123 Posted January 12, 2023 Share Posted January 12, 2023 (edited) He probably won’t make it here. I bet 999/1000 kids we bring through the academy don’t go on to make it as a regular PL footballer. Of the current crop to come through, I have hopes Kessler, Irroegbunam and A. Ramsey kick on and make it here but even that’s a stretch. It’s really difficult to make it as a PL footballer. Everybody says we have an amazing academy and youth team. We really don’t. I’m sure it’s good, but you look at some of the players Man City, Chelsea and Arsenal bring through, it’s streets apart. If you ask any fan in the country if they have a good youth set up, they’ll all say yes and point to the next couple of world beaters that are going to set the world alight. Rarely happens. If at all. Edited January 12, 2023 by Delphinho123 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MWARLEY2 Posted January 12, 2023 Share Posted January 12, 2023 2 minutes ago, Delphinho123 said: He probably won’t make it here. I bet 999/1000 kids we bring through the academy don’t go on to make it as a regular PL footballer. Of the current crop to come through, I have hopes Kessler, Irroegbunam and A. Ramsey kick on and make it here but even that’s a stretch. It’s really difficult to make it as a PL footballer. Everybody says we have an amazing academy and youth team. We really don’t. I’m sure it’s good, but you look at some of the players Man City, Chelsea and Arsenal bring through, it’s streets apart. If you ask any fan in the country if they have a good youth set up, they’ll all say yes and point to the next couple of world beaters that are going to set the world alight. Rarely happens. If at all. Its this last bit that Villa are trying to change . We arent great but we are looking to be great. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
useless Posted January 12, 2023 Share Posted January 12, 2023 Balogun went ten Championship games before he scored his first goal, then scored three in four before going another five games without a goal, and Middlesbrough fans from what I saw weren't impressed with him at all. Archer scored more than twice as many as Balogun and unlike Balogun wasn't playing through the middle as the main striker, he was wide left mostly, also Preston fans loved him. Archer played more minutes than Balogun but maybe that's because Archer did well enough to get regular game time whereas Balogun didn't. If he 'wasn't that good' he wouldn't have had half the Championship wanting him in the summer, or MIddlesbrough, one of the better teams, wanting him this winter. Archer also outscored Balogun in the summer for England U21s and in those games it was Archer that got less game time. I watched him on numerous occassions at Preston and besides his goals his performances were very good, better than I was expecting. And I'm not saying that Archer is better than Balogun, him doing better over half a season in the Championship isn't proof of that, most would predict Balogun will have the more prestigous career. All that said a move back to the Championship is a good one for Archer, if he can do as well as last season will help him enhance his reputation further, and give him a chance of playing his way back into the England U21 squad for the Euros this summer, and will give him good optons club wise in the summer as well, if we were to sell might be a good idea to insist on a buy-back clause, like Liverpool did with Brewster. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bobzy Posted January 12, 2023 Share Posted January 12, 2023 44 minutes ago, Delphinho123 said: Everybody says we have an amazing academy and youth team. We really don’t. I’m sure it’s good, but you look at some of the players Man City, Chelsea and Arsenal bring through, it’s streets apart. If you ask any fan in the country if they have a good youth set up, they’ll all say yes and point to the next couple of world beaters that are going to set the world alight. Rarely happens. If at all. How do we not have an amazing academy/youth team? Who are the Man City, Chelsea and Arsenal players currently coming through that you’re particularly jealous of? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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