sidcow Posted August 12, 2022 VT Supporter Share Posted August 12, 2022 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CVByrne Posted August 14, 2022 Share Posted August 14, 2022 Why would he sign a contract? Isn't getting a look in. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tom13 Posted August 14, 2022 Share Posted August 14, 2022 Miss Dougie 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
May-Z Posted August 14, 2022 Share Posted August 14, 2022 We're not quite getting the "you're a valuable part of the squad" feeling right at the minute. There's a number of players, including Dougie, who will feel like they're being binned off rather than given a fair chance to earn a spot. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StanBalaban Posted August 14, 2022 Share Posted August 14, 2022 1 hour ago, CVByrne said: Why would he sign a contract? Isn't getting a look in. To be fair we've only played 2 games of a very long season, and he's played in one of those. Very much part of pre season too, so I think he'll get plenty of game time. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rodders0223 Posted August 14, 2022 Share Posted August 14, 2022 I think he I was advising him I'd fully tell him to run down his deal. 1) He will get a pay day. 2) He isn't going to get a fair shot here with the 3 in midfield as is now. I would not be signing that deal tbh. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StanBalaban Posted August 14, 2022 Share Posted August 14, 2022 2 hours ago, rodders0223 said: I think he I was advising him I'd fully tell him to run down his deal. 1) He will get a pay day. 2) He isn't going to get a fair shot here with the 3 in midfield as is now. I would not be signing that deal tbh. Our starting lineup of the first game last season against included El Ghazi. It's hard to extrapolate much so soon into a new season. We've just seen with Diego Carlos how much of a risk running down your contract can be. He's not long turned 24 years old, so there's hopefully a very long career ahead for him to maximise his pay days. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MaVilla Posted August 14, 2022 Share Posted August 14, 2022 3 hours ago, May-Z said: We're not quite getting the "you're a valuable part of the squad" feeling right at the minute. There's a number of players, including Dougie, who will feel like they're being binned off rather than given a fair chance to earn a spot. tbf i think the same could be said for Buendia. Gerrard says one thing, but his actions dont follow his words. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
May-Z Posted August 14, 2022 Share Posted August 14, 2022 24 minutes ago, MaVilla said: tbf i think the same could be said for Buendia. Gerrard says one thing, but his actions dont follow his words. Yep. Buendia, Dougie, Sanson, Traore, (and to a more understandable extent Guilbert, Davis, El Ghazi) All are good enough to contribute in some way, but seem ostracised somewhat without any attempt made to create a positive group. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Keyblade Posted August 15, 2022 Share Posted August 15, 2022 On 14/08/2022 at 08:44, StanBalaban said: Our starting lineup of the first game last season against included El Ghazi. It's hard to extrapolate much so soon into a new season. We've just seen with Diego Carlos how much of a risk running down your contract can be. He's not long turned 24 years old, so there's hopefully a very long career ahead for him to maximise his pay days. That was due to injury issues though. El Ghazi wasn't part of our serious plans last season. I think the teams we saw in the first 2 games are the manager's preferred ones, for better or worse. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MrBlack Posted August 16, 2022 Share Posted August 16, 2022 He's been treated like crap really. Played out of position doing a job for the team, shone when used further forwards but only when it suits us, and then ultimately dropped in place of players he's probably better than in our formation. Didn't even get a look in after the shitshow of our first game. Yes Ramsey and and McGinn were OK for parts of the Everton game, but they really weren't outstanding. And neither of them deserved to keep their spot after Bournemouth. Rewarding failure. Worse it's in a World cup year for him where he'll likely lose his chance at a first team spot. Unless we've got some issues with how he's handled his contract situation (certainly doesn't sound that way), he's been treated harshly. Zero chance I'd be signing a new contract if I was him. My agent would be speaking to every club in Europe and finding me the best deal I can sign in January. And that's all fine....if the club are happy to see him leave on a free, then we've treated him exactly as we should do, for our means. Can't help but feel we'd have been better off using him rather than binning him off though. 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Niall Posted August 16, 2022 Share Posted August 16, 2022 It is a pity he hasn't been picked as a starter in the first two games. He will get his chance though as Ramsey lacks consistency (McGinn will not be dropped) and it will be up to him to make sure he becomes first choice from then on. I can't see him replacing Kamara anytime soon. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Risso Posted August 16, 2022 Share Posted August 16, 2022 15 minutes ago, MrBlack said: He's been treated like crap really. Played out of position doing a job for the team, shone when used further forwards but only when it suits us, and then ultimately dropped in place of players he's probably better than in our formation. Didn't even get a look in after the shitshow of our first game. Yes Ramsey and and McGinn were OK for parts of the Everton game, but they really weren't outstanding. And neither of them deserved to keep their spot after Bournemouth. Rewarding failure. Worse it's in a World cup year for him where he'll likely lose his chance at a first team spot. Unless we've got some issues with how he's handled his contract situation (certainly doesn't sound that way), he's been treated harshly. Zero chance I'd be signing a new contract if I was him. My agent would be speaking to every club in Europe and finding me the best deal I can sign in January. And that's all fine....if the club are happy to see him leave on a free, then we've treated him exactly as we should do, for our means. Can't help but feel we'd have been better off using him rather than binning him off though. He was signed as a defensive midfielder and has been mostly rubbish at that, and has never shone when played further forward. Well, not remotely enough to be considered any good at it. He's been bang average at best the entire time he's been with us. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MrBlack Posted August 16, 2022 Share Posted August 16, 2022 Just now, Risso said: He was signed as a defensive midfielder and has been mostly rubbish at that, and has never shone when played further forward. Well, not remotely enough to be considered any good at it. He's been bang average at best the entire time he's been with us. Did you see either of the Man City or Liverpool games last season when he played as one of our 8's against the two best sides in the league? I'm guessing not or you wouldn't have made that comment. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
villa89 Posted August 16, 2022 Share Posted August 16, 2022 On 14/08/2022 at 09:55, CVByrne said: Why would he sign a contract? Isn't getting a look in. Its obvious his plan was to run his contract down. He would have signed one by now if he wanted to stay. It might suit the club to let him leave anyway, he's no world beater. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zatman Posted August 16, 2022 Share Posted August 16, 2022 1 hour ago, Niall said: It is a pity he hasn't been picked as a starter in the first two games. He will get his chance though as Ramsey lacks consistency (McGinn will not be dropped) and it will be up to him to make sure he becomes first choice from then on. I can't see him replacing Kamara anytime soon. Ramsey wont be dropped either Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mark_1989 Posted August 20, 2022 Share Posted August 20, 2022 After Bournemouth sham. AFH Dougie should almost be first name on team sheet. McGinn and Ramsey just not good enough Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sparrow1988 Posted August 20, 2022 Share Posted August 20, 2022 Get him in the team. He’s our second best midfielder. Never anything spectacular but does all things to a good level. Not a Gerrard type midfielder though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MotoMkali Posted August 20, 2022 Share Posted August 20, 2022 Please please start him and Kamara if we go 4-2-3-1. And him, Kamara, Sanson if we go 4-3-3 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rodders0223 Posted August 20, 2022 Share Posted August 20, 2022 Doesn't pump and clap his fists nearly aswell as McGinn for me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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