The_Steve Posted June 21, 2022 Share Posted June 21, 2022 1 hour ago, Don_Simon said: If having sentiment in football meant we kept Trezeguet, I'm delighted there's no sentiment in football. Why is it "sadly"?! He's not even close to Premier League level. He ran a lot, and is a lovely bloke. Sweet. He's made an absolute mint here, will continue to do so and has already achieved more in sport than 99% of others. The romanticism centred on this guy would nourish Randy Lerner. Its **** mental. You can’t deny his goals kept us up though 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tom13 Posted June 21, 2022 Share Posted June 21, 2022 19 minutes ago, The_Steve said: You can’t deny his goals kept us up though As did every other goal that season that meant we drew/won a game. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tom13 Posted June 21, 2022 Share Posted June 21, 2022 2 hours ago, villabromsgrove said: He may or may not do it for us, but he'd die trying. Overexaggeration sadly. He ran a lot, but he wasn't a brave player. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fightoffyour Posted June 21, 2022 VT Supporter Share Posted June 21, 2022 3 hours ago, sidcow said: **** off. I'm waiting for confirmation from the Turkish American Trabzonspor Peoples Front Fans Association. Splitter! 2 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Laughable Chimp Posted June 21, 2022 Share Posted June 21, 2022 (edited) 1 hour ago, Tom13 said: As did every other goal that season that meant we drew/won a game. Yeah lol, I don't get the logic people say with this. Every goal helped. Furthermore, I'm not complaining that he did score those goals, but if he had just been less shit earlier in the season(and he was largely shit), we wouldn't have needed him to score those goals in the first place. You don't get as much credit for saving someone from a dangerous situation when you were part of the reason they were in that situation in the first place. Edited June 21, 2022 by Laughable Chimp 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Don_Simon Posted June 22, 2022 Share Posted June 22, 2022 7 hours ago, The_Steve said: You can’t deny his goals kept us up though We stayed up by one point, right? So, were his goals more important than Targett's last minute goal against Brighton, Mings' against Watford? Or any goal where we won the game by one goal. Or, what about any of Reina's saves? Mings' blocks? Defensive actions that won us points? The idea / notion that Trezeguet kept us up is baffling and does a complete disservice to the contributions of others. (Perhaps if Trezeguet hadn't been so poor at the start and middle of the season we'd have had even more points? Maybe). 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Don_Simon Posted June 22, 2022 Share Posted June 22, 2022 Just now, Don_Simon said: We stayed up by one point, right? So, were his goals more important than Targett's last minute goal against Brighton, Mings' against Watford? Or any goal where we won the game by one goal. Or, what about any of Reina's saves? Mings' blocks? Defensive actions that won us points? The idea / notion that Trezeguet kept us up is baffling and does a complete disservice to the contributions of others. (Perhaps if Trezeguet hadn't been so poor at the start and middle of the season we'd have had even more points? Maybe). I hadn't seen @Laughable Chimp's post before I wrote mine. Almost identical! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post useless Posted June 22, 2022 Popular Post Share Posted June 22, 2022 (edited) I remember writing this in the relegation season after Watford beat Newcastle, a result which left us seven points from safety with just four points to go... 'Villa. Not. Yet. Done. We play twice before either West Ham and Watford play again, win those two and we're just one point from safety again, and West Ham and Watford can't both win their next game as they're playing each other.' Many laughed and some even got angry, the point isn't that I was correct, it's to illustrate that at the time no one thought we had a chance whatsoever of surving, but it was Trezeguet that scored the two goals against Palace in our next game which won us our first game in eleven and helped build momentum going into the last three, he also scored the winner against Arsenal, hardly anyone would have given us a chance in that game, have to remember that we hadn't beaten any of the top six, but he scored the winner when it mattered, he played a massive part in those eight points from the last four games. Edited June 22, 2022 by useless 5 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mark Albrighton Posted June 22, 2022 VT Supporter Share Posted June 22, 2022 1 hour ago, useless said: Many laughed and some even got angry Laughed at that post? Got angry at that post? Who did? Can you quote those posts please? Just gone through the ten pages following that post, can’t see any critiquing or mocking the post. Were they all direct messages to you? 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PaulMcGrath_5 Posted June 22, 2022 Share Posted June 22, 2022 18 minutes ago, Mark Albrighton said: Laughed at that post? Got angry at that post? Who did? Can you quote those posts please? Just gone through the ten pages following that post, can’t see any critiquing or mocking the post. Were they all direct messages to you? Really?! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tom13 Posted June 22, 2022 Share Posted June 22, 2022 8 hours ago, Laughable Chimp said: Yeah lol, I don't get the logic people say with this. Every goal helped. Furthermore, I'm not complaining that he did score those goals, but if he had just been less shit earlier in the season(and he was largely shit), we wouldn't have needed him to score those goals in the first place. You don't get as much credit for saving someone from a dangerous situation when you were part of the reason they were in that situation in the first place. Yeah I said this earlier in the thread, he probably cost us points by being so wasteful/making poor decisions in attacking situations over the course of the season. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mark Albrighton Posted June 22, 2022 VT Supporter Share Posted June 22, 2022 (edited) 17 minutes ago, PaulMcGrath_5 said: Really?! Yeah, really doesn’t take too long. The mood changes a little bit around 11 or 12 pages later, as I presume the palace win happened about then. Edited June 22, 2022 by Mark Albrighton Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Adam2003 Posted June 22, 2022 Share Posted June 22, 2022 5 hours ago, Don_Simon said: We stayed up by one point, right? So, were his goals more important than Targett's last minute goal against Brighton, Mings' against Watford? Or any goal where we won the game by one goal. Or, what about any of Reina's saves? Mings' blocks? Defensive actions that won us points? The idea / notion that Trezeguet kept us up is baffling and does a complete disservice to the contributions of others. (Perhaps if Trezeguet hadn't been so poor at the start and middle of the season we'd have had even more points? Maybe). While I don’t disagree with your basic premise over a season, it’s not unreasonable or unusual for a bunch of crucial goals scored in a run in the final weeks of the season that moved us from 8 points away from safety to staying up to be seen as keeping us up. Obviously it’s a simplification because they didn’t even win us those games without the other ten players, but in that case you couldn’t claim any player ever won us a game. That’s fine, and technically accurate, but equally it’s not disrespectful of Nigel Spink to say Peter Withe’s goal won us the European Cup, even though Spink did more in the match. It’s just an expression, not a disservice. Not sure anyone needs to get too upset about it. Good luck to the lad - at times absolutely terrible but scored some important goals. Glad to have him off the books and be starting, say, Coutinho instead of him 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AntrimBlack Posted June 22, 2022 Share Posted June 22, 2022 I think you are giving him far too much credit. Most of the other team members did more to keep us up than Trezeguet. And I would suggest you are doing them a disservice. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
villabromsgrove Posted June 22, 2022 Share Posted June 22, 2022 12 hours ago, Tom13 said: Overexaggeration sadly. He ran a lot, but he wasn't a brave player. You're entitled to your opinion Tom but I disagree with you about him not being brave. Trezeguet never ducked a 50/50 tackle unlike AEG and to some extent Traore and would press more than any other midfielder when he played. Trez could never be accused of giving less than 100%. He's not the best technically and his passing accuracy leaves a bit to be desired, but he's a battler not a bottler. In my opinion of course. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
flashingqwerty Posted June 22, 2022 VT Supporter Share Posted June 22, 2022 23 minutes ago, villabromsgrove said: You're entitled to your opinion Tom but I disagree with you about him not being brave. Trezeguet never ducked a 50/50 tackle unlike AEG and to some extent Traore and would press more than any other midfielder when he played. Trez could never be accused of giving less than 100%. He's not the best technically and his passing accuracy leaves a bit to be desired, but he's a battler not a bottler. In my opinion of course. Didn't he score a diving header and nearly get kicked in the fave? Or am I mixing him up with someone else? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vive_La_Villa Posted June 22, 2022 Share Posted June 22, 2022 13 hours ago, Laughable Chimp said: Yeah lol, I don't get the logic people say with this. Every goal helped. Furthermore, I'm not complaining that he did score those goals, but if he had just been less shit earlier in the season(and he was largely shit), we wouldn't have needed him to score those goals in the first place. You don't get as much credit for saving someone from a dangerous situation when you were part of the reason they were in that situation in the first place. I think this applies more to AEG and Traore than Trez. For all his poor play he always gave his all and tried to help the team out defensively too. The other two whilst provided goals and assists now and then would be completely anonymous at other times. Trez isn’t good enough. But he always tried. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zatman Posted June 22, 2022 Share Posted June 22, 2022 1 hour ago, AntrimBlack said: I think you are giving him far too much credit. Most of the other team members did more to keep us up than Trezeguet. And I would suggest you are doing them a disservice. Makes a change from people on here that insisted only Grealish kept us up. Management and staff did nothing apparently Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vive_La_Villa Posted June 22, 2022 Share Posted June 22, 2022 1 hour ago, AntrimBlack said: I think you are giving him far too much credit. Most of the other team members did more to keep us up than Trezeguet. And I would suggest you are doing them a disservice. I’d argue most of them are staying at the club too. Out of the players deemed not good enough and moving on id say Trez did his fair share of contributing to us staying up and pushing on a bit. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vive_La_Villa Posted June 22, 2022 Share Posted June 22, 2022 41 minutes ago, flashingqwerty said: Didn't he score a diving header and nearly get kicked in the fave? Or am I mixing him up with someone else? Not sure about a diving header but he once headed the ball on to his foot and it then went in to the back of the net 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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