mjmooney Posted July 3, 2019 VT Supporter Share Posted July 3, 2019 Quote Don't forget that they started to play football appr 100 years after men did, so they should be behind. In the 1920s Women's football matches in England pulled bigger crowds than most men's games - sometimes more than 50,000. BBC article Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sne Posted July 4, 2019 Share Posted July 4, 2019 No VAR yesterday for some reason, possible pen for Sweden and a lot of calls going Hollands way in a rather even game. Sweden ran out of steam so Holland ended up deserved winners for me. Funny stat, halfway into the 2nd half the ref had awarded Holland 15 free kicks, and Sweden 1. Ended up 24 vs 14 Ref did not have a good game but wasn't the reason Sweden lost. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zatman Posted July 4, 2019 Share Posted July 4, 2019 10 minutes ago, sne said: No VAR yesterday for some reason, possible pen for Sweden and a lot of calls going Hollands way in a rather even game. Sweden ran out of steam so Holland ended up deserved winners for me. Funny stat, halfway into the 2nd half the ref had awarded Holland 15 free kicks, and Sweden 1. Ended up 24 vs 14 Ref did not have a good game but wasn't the reason Sweden lost. not sure how true that is, Netherlands had 2 offsides against them in the 1st half Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kurtsimonw Posted July 4, 2019 Share Posted July 4, 2019 The no VAR on the penalty thing was a tough one. It should have gone to VAR in my opinion, but it just seemed like a clash of legs if anything. Didn't seem like any of the Swedes complained. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sne Posted July 4, 2019 Share Posted July 4, 2019 2 minutes ago, Zatman said: not sure how true that is, Netherlands had 2 offsides against them in the 1st half They showed the stat on TV official by FIFA stat. As in fouls given, not offsides or ball over the side or whatever. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PaulC Posted July 4, 2019 Share Posted July 4, 2019 The ref ruined the game imo. Too many free kicks given when not much contact. At least two corners fir Sweden where a foul was given against them and there was nothing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mic09 Posted July 4, 2019 Share Posted July 4, 2019 (edited) 22 hours ago, Zatman said: Why are men being compared to women again, I thought we got past that shit. Nobody is saying Serena Williams could beat Roger Federer or the England women's rugby team would beat the local country club team They are different levels completely and only seems to be men who make this comparison I think the reason they get compared is because there is a "push" for promoting women's sport. BBC are certainly making a big deal out of it, and I'm not saying it's a good or a bad thing. However, I think that contrary to the popular politically correct opinion, most people are not sexist and do not care if its men or woman doing a specific sport or a job. I couldn't care less if women participate in football. To me, if we can field 11 women in our Aston Villa side next season that will challenge the league, I am all for it. The doors are wide open for everyone these days, especially in our country. The issue for me is that it's promoted "artificially". As a sports fan, I want to watch the best athletes on the planet, and I don't care if they are men or women. I want to see the limit of what is humanly possible, and in football men are faster, stronger and more technically trained. For that reason, people will naturally prefer men's sport in general. We want to watch 100m sprints in under 10 seconds and heavyweight boxing between 2 giants weighing 220lb each. Unfortunately, women's sport does not offer that. I have read a poster previously suggesting that the woman's world cup is the limit of their ability and they are top athletes. And that's absolutely fine, no argument there. For me however, and for many other sports fans, if we see that a non league men's football side presents a higher performance level than a women's national side, we will prefer to watch the former. Edited July 4, 2019 by Mic09 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kurtsimonw Posted July 4, 2019 Share Posted July 4, 2019 57 minutes ago, Mic09 said: I think the reason they get compared is because there is a "push" for promoting women's sport. BBC are certainly making a big deal out of it, and I'm not saying it's a good or a bad thing. However, I think that contrary to the popular politically correct opinion, most people are not sexist and do not care if its men or woman doing a specific sport or a job. I couldn't care less if women participate in football. To me, if we can field 11 women in our Aston Villa side next season that will challenge the league, I am all for it. The doors are wide open for everyone these days, especially in our country. The issue for me is that it's promoted "artificially". As a sports fan, I want to watch the best athletes on the planet, and I don't care if they are men or women. I want to see the limit of what is humanly possible, and in football men are faster, stronger and more technically trained. For that reason, people will naturally prefer men's sport in general. We want to watch 100m sprints in under 10 seconds and heavyweight boxing between 2 giants weighing 220lb each. Unfortunately, women's sport does not offer that. I have read a poster previously suggesting that the woman's world cup is the limit of their ability and they are top athletes. And that's absolutely fine, no argument there. For me however, and for many other sports fans, if we see that a non league men's football side presents a higher performance level than a women's national side, we will prefer to watch the former. Spot on. Ultimately, it's down to the quality. Women are people, so judging one competition to have a perceived lack of quality isn't sexist. It's like suggesting it's racist/xenophobic to suggest the quality of the Gold Cup/African Cup of Nations is bad in comparison to the Euros/Copa. The difference being, the Gold Cup/African Cup of Nations doesn't get the same push, why? The over fawning of the competition has come across as a bit condescending towards women if anything/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Xela Posted July 4, 2019 Share Posted July 4, 2019 Lets hope Netherlands win the final. Find the USA team a bit arrogant and distasteful. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sne Posted July 4, 2019 Share Posted July 4, 2019 At least women football has come further than it seem to have done in handball from the look of it. This is the uniforms the men respectively the women have to wear at the beach handball European Championships. The women have to by rule play in bikinis Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zatman Posted July 5, 2019 Share Posted July 5, 2019 18 hours ago, kurtsimonw said: Spot on. Ultimately, it's down to the quality. Women are people, so judging one competition to have a perceived lack of quality isn't sexist. It's like suggesting it's racist/xenophobic to suggest the quality of the Gold Cup/African Cup of Nations is bad in comparison to the Euros/Copa. The difference being, the Gold Cup/African Cup of Nations doesn't get the same push, why? The over fawning of the competition has come across as a bit condescending towards women if anything/ Surely womens football is getting a push on BBC is because England were one of the favourites. If they didn't qualify they probably wouldnt care Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sne Posted July 5, 2019 Share Posted July 5, 2019 Busy day for the top brass in football on Sunday. The Final in the Women WC between US and Holland at 17 Final of the Copa America, Brazil vs Peru at 22 2 last 16 games in the AFCON, Madagascar vs Congo at 18 and Algeria vs Guinea at 21. And to round it up there is the Concacaf Gold Cup final between the US and Mexico at 03 in Chicago Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Morley_crosses_to_Withe Posted July 5, 2019 Share Posted July 5, 2019 14 hours ago, sne said: At least women football has come further than it seem to have done in handball from the look of it. This is the uniforms the men respectively the women have to wear at the beach handball European Championships. The women have to by rule play in bikinis Are there any TV channels showing the women’s beach handball? Asking for a friend 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
villa4europe Posted July 5, 2019 Share Posted July 5, 2019 This cup of tea bollocks can **** off I didn't even see any faux outrage, just lots of people screaming sexism because we're all apparently outraged Absolute nothing story Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
a m ole Posted July 6, 2019 Share Posted July 6, 2019 What a ridiculous decision Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChrisVillan Posted July 6, 2019 Share Posted July 6, 2019 8 minutes ago, a m ole said: What a ridiculous decision Someone will be along to absolve VAR shortly. Thank you for your patience. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
villa4europe Posted July 6, 2019 Share Posted July 6, 2019 (edited) New rule, if it touches your hand resulting in a goal it's automatically handball, intentional or not Edit - that's bollocks, thats only if it's your arm / hand that puts the ball in the net That's not handball Edited July 6, 2019 by villa4europe Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
a m ole Posted July 6, 2019 Share Posted July 6, 2019 38 minutes ago, villa4europe said: New rule, if it touches your hand resulting in a goal it's automatically handball, intentional or not Edit - that's bollocks, thats only if it's your arm / hand that puts the ball in the net That's not handball saw something like that, or if it leads to a goal. If it is technically a correct call under the intent of the new rules, then the new rules need to **** off. I can’t get along with something not being a foul under the rules unless it leads to a goal - it either is or isn’t. Hard to even see where it hits the arm here. Does it also hit the defenders arm? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tegis Posted July 6, 2019 VT Supporter Share Posted July 6, 2019 ps, been i the car all day, seen nothing Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zatman Posted July 6, 2019 Share Posted July 6, 2019 people want consistency with the handball rule, if thats rule going forward then tough but fair. If Swedish defender made same movement their be uproar that its not a penalty Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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