slowandlow Posted November 11, 2020 Share Posted November 11, 2020 (edited) I'm sure there were jokes about the inapporpriateness of the term "coloured" as far back the office (so 2000-2002 ish) Hasn't been acceptable for a while, not sure how its passed some by tbh Edited November 11, 2020 by slowandlow Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StefanAVFC Posted November 11, 2020 Share Posted November 11, 2020 (edited) Full comments, no spin, no headlines and the comments are rabid. We have a serious problem with racism still. And BBC tweet: Edited November 11, 2020 by StefanAVFC Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HanoiVillan Posted November 11, 2020 Share Posted November 11, 2020 From the article: 'Asked what it would mean to have a black man or woman as chairman, Mings said: "Of course it would be a huge step. It would be everything that a lot of people have worked for. "We're not necessarily asking for the next chairman or chief to be black," Aston Villa's Mings added: "What we're asking for is equal opportunities for both black and white people, or ethnic minorities."' Hard to see what people are upset about, or why you would be upset about those comments. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bickster Posted November 11, 2020 Moderator Share Posted November 11, 2020 1 minute ago, HanoiVillan said: ard to see what people are upset about, or why you would be upset about those comments. Because racists only hear what they want to hear 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StefanAVFC Posted November 11, 2020 Share Posted November 11, 2020 2 minutes ago, HanoiVillan said: Hard to see what people are upset about, or why you would be upset about those comments. Exactly why we have an issue with racism in this country. People see anything related to 'black' or 'equality' and their backs are up because '...the blacks are going on and on again.' They think that they should be higher, and any comments that challenge that hierarchy threaten that. It isn't outward, direct racism so it's harder to spot and harder to combat but it 100% exists. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chindie Posted November 11, 2020 VT Supporter Share Posted November 11, 2020 We've made a lot of progress but there's still a lot of the petty discrimination (of all sorts) out there. A lot of the current 'trans debate' only reveals it starkly - a lot of people that would consider themselves 'left' even have problems with trans issues. It doesn't help that, in case of racism, a lot of people still don't 'get' it. Or actively don't recognise it - the things that Mings is raising are simply outright rejected by a lot of people. Despite being a completely obvious issue. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stuart_75 Posted November 11, 2020 Share Posted November 11, 2020 2 minutes ago, Chindie said: A lot of the current 'trans debate' That's worth a thread all to itself for people to rant about. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HanoiVillan Posted November 11, 2020 Share Posted November 11, 2020 If I was someone who thought that black people are trying to get special preferences, I would simply not prove their arguments about unthinking racism correct by failing to read past the headline. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HanoiVillan Posted November 11, 2020 Share Posted November 11, 2020 2 minutes ago, stuart_75 said: That's worth a thread all to itself for people to rant about. I used to be quite frightened to mention anything to do with trans issues On Here, but the last time the subject came up, the conversation was significantly more enlightened than the Guardian's Opinion page tends to be to be fair. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stuart_75 Posted November 11, 2020 Share Posted November 11, 2020 1 minute ago, HanoiVillan said: I used to be quite frightened to mention anything to do with trans issues On Here, but the last time the subject came up, the conversation was significantly more enlightened than the Guardian's Opinion page tends to be to be fair. Trans women competing in women's sport is one huge can of worms... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bickster Posted November 11, 2020 Moderator Share Posted November 11, 2020 2 minutes ago, stuart_75 said: Trans women competing in women's sport is one huge can of worms... That is nothing compared to which public convenience or changing room they should use. And it has to be said, that its mainly the female of the species that has an issue with it Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StefanAVFC Posted November 11, 2020 Share Posted November 11, 2020 3 minutes ago, bickster said: That is nothing compared to which public convenience or changing room they should use. And it has to be said, that its mainly the female of the species that has an issue with it The thing that gets me, is this overriding opinion that Trans people are paedos/perves who go through massive emotional, physical and mental changes just to get into girls' toilets. It's mad. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lapal_fan Posted November 11, 2020 Share Posted November 11, 2020 3 minutes ago, StefanAVFC said: The thing that gets me, is this overriding opinion that Trans people are paedos/perves who go through massive emotional, physical and mental changes just to get into girls' toilets. It's mad. The changing rooms/toilets/sports issue is the hardest thing to cover really, it's a huge can of worms and as a man, it isn't my position to judge or given an opinion on really. What I don't want to happen is, for women to feel "punished" by having a "morally correct" code to observe, which many of them don't agree with. A lot of women out there feel as though their rights and achievements are being eroded by the whole issue and that's a shame. There needs to be a huge conversation between women and transgender people to see what lines are drawn. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HanoiVillan Posted November 11, 2020 Share Posted November 11, 2020 (I appreciate there's another thread now, so I won't add more here, but just following on from above) The 'debate' about bathroom access is not a particularly complicated one. The Equality Act of 2010 makes clear that trans women are women, that it is illegal to exclude people on the basis of protected characteristics (with a small set of possible exemptions which do not include bathrooms) and as such trans women should access women's facilities. Cis women have no more right to harrass trans women in women's bathrooms than they would have to harrass lesbians or black women or any other group. For that matter, nor do men have any right to harrass trans men. The idea that there is a 'debate' to be had on this issue is ultimately an attempt to take away rights that people have had for 10 years, and an attempt to create a sub-group of people who can be harrassed in public. I accept that there's more of a genuine debate around trans issues in sport, though even there the principle should be the widest possible access unless specific harms can be proven. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
villa4europe Posted November 11, 2020 Share Posted November 11, 2020 one of the things they changed int he last decade is there is no such thing as a "disabled" toilet anymore, they changed the wording to "accessible" but they've failed to convey that these toilets are for everyone, even someone like myself who just enjoys the extra room and beating the queue they will become more prevalent, they will shake off the stigma and the whole thing should disappear, its currently 5 toilets and 5 wash basins per 100 people or 4 urinals per 100 men new build wet changing rooms have already gone unisex using cubicle systems with then group changing areas, from my experience the biggest moaners about that was old men who felt that they could walk around naked anymore, dry changing rooms are still split the answer from building control and design is that you just dont categorise by sex at all, not male or female or any other division or variant from that, they dont recognise any of them Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mark Albrighton Posted November 11, 2020 VT Supporter Share Posted November 11, 2020 14 minutes ago, villa4europe said: one of the things they changed int he last decade is there is no such thing as a "disabled" toilet anymore, they changed the wording to "accessible" but they've failed to convey that these toilets are for everyone, even someone like myself who just enjoys the extra room and beating the queue Just ‘cus.... 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tonyh29 Posted November 11, 2020 Share Posted November 11, 2020 2 hours ago, HanoiVillan said: From the article: 'Asked what it would mean to have a black man or woman as chairman, Mings said: "Of course it would be a huge step. It would be everything that a lot of people have worked for. "We're not necessarily asking for the next chairman or chief to be black," Aston Villa's Mings added: "What we're asking for is equal opportunities for both black and white people, or ethnic minorities."' Hard to see what people are upset about, or why you would be upset about those comments. on the people being upset theme The other day Southampton went top of the league and posted a rather witty "Stop the count" post on their official feed .. Quite topical and quite clever I made the mistake of looking at the comments section , 1st one was calling them a a small club and clearly the poster missed the joke ... by about the 3rd comment it was " stop the kneeling " and loads of agreement and full on racism .... that was the point I reminded myself why I don't usually click on comment sections and I went and looked at something else instead 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tonyh29 Posted November 11, 2020 Share Posted November 11, 2020 (edited) 49 minutes ago, villa4europe said: one of the things they changed int he last decade is there is no such thing as a "disabled" toilet anymore, they changed the wording to "accessible" but they've failed to convey that these toilets are for everyone, even someone like myself who just enjoys the extra room and beating the queue sorry to deflect the topic , but was it just me that had this spring to mind Edited November 11, 2020 by tonyh29 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MCU Posted November 11, 2020 Share Posted November 11, 2020 6 minutes ago, tonyh29 said: on the people being upset theme The other day Southampton went top of the league and posted a rather witty "Stop the count" post on their official feed .. Quite topical and quite clever I made the mistake of looking at the comments section , 1st one was calling them a a small club and clearly the poster missed the joke ... by about the 3rd comment it was " stop the kneeling " and loads of agreement and full on racism .... that was the point I reminded myself why I don't usually click on comment sections and I went and looked at something else instead Lesson 1 of the internet:- Stay away from the twitter comments section. I genuinely think my mental health has improved. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tonyh29 Posted November 11, 2020 Share Posted November 11, 2020 17 minutes ago, MCU said: Lesson 1 of the internet:- Stay away from the twitter comments section. I genuinely think my mental health has improved. Ha ...... As a rule I stay away from Twitter on the whole , it was a syndicated type article that then lured me into the click trap 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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