villalad21 Posted December 20, 2019 Share Posted December 20, 2019 (edited) Let's hope he never set us up to "try not to lose" again. Edited December 20, 2019 by villalad21 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stevo985 Posted December 20, 2019 VT Supporter Share Posted December 20, 2019 4 minutes ago, villalad21 said: Let's hope he never set us up to "try not to lose" again. Who are you quoting? Did he say he was setting us up to not lose? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
screwdriver Posted December 20, 2019 Share Posted December 20, 2019 Why do it then? It's not as if it was away at the Bernabeu. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tayls Posted December 20, 2019 Share Posted December 20, 2019 That bloody Villareport making up stuff again.... 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TRO Posted December 20, 2019 Share Posted December 20, 2019 Its one thing being set up not to lose....(not saying I like it) Its another thing to say you have the players who can do it. I don't think we have, they have been recruited to play the way Dean wants, so Its no surprise that it would be difficult to play it tight and cautious. I would like to think we have players so rounded and complete that it wasn't an and or either and could do both....but it seems it is, and they can't do both..... judging by the comments, if they are accurate. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
villalad21 Posted December 20, 2019 Share Posted December 20, 2019 30 minutes ago, TRO said: Its one thing being set up not to lose....(not saying I like it) Its another thing to say you have the players who can do it. I don't think we have, they have been recruited to play the way Dean wants, so Its no surprise that it would be difficult to play it tight and cautious. I would like to think we have players so rounded and complete that it wasn't an and or either and could do both....but it seems it is, and they can't do both..... judging by the comments, if they are accurate. Spot on. Massive mistake by Smith. We need to accept and understand what we are. Attack is our strength. Defense is our weakness. We need to play to our strengths. Hopefully Smith never attempts to do this again. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vive_La_Villa Posted December 20, 2019 Share Posted December 20, 2019 (edited) 5 hours ago, villalad21 said: Let's hope he never set us up to "try not to lose" again. Did he even say this? Edited December 20, 2019 by Vive_La_Villa Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vive_La_Villa Posted December 20, 2019 Share Posted December 20, 2019 5 hours ago, Stevo985 said: Who are you quoting? Did he say he was setting us up to not lose? Welcome back. It’s gone a bit crazy again over here. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stevo985 Posted December 20, 2019 VT Supporter Share Posted December 20, 2019 1 minute ago, Vive_La_Villa said: You’re such a hypocrite. Also did he even say this? Doesn't appear so. He said we didn't go toe to toe. That doesn't mean we didn't try to win the game. 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
villalad21 Posted December 20, 2019 Share Posted December 20, 2019 29 minutes ago, Vive_La_Villa said: Did he even say this? Did you even watch the game? It was pretty obvious how we were set up. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lapal_fan Posted December 20, 2019 Share Posted December 20, 2019 4 hours ago, villalad21 said: Spot on. Massive mistake by Smith. We need to accept and understand what we are. Attack is our strength. Defense is our weakness. We need to play to our strengths. Hopefully Smith never attempts to do this again. HAVE YOU NOT SEEN WHAT YOU POST IN THE WES THREAD?!?!? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vive_La_Villa Posted December 20, 2019 Share Posted December 20, 2019 (edited) 18 minutes ago, villalad21 said: Did you even watch the game? It was pretty obvious how we were set up. To be honest I didn’t. I just see you grabbing any chance you can go have a go at Smith and felt compelled to respond. I’m pretty sure you’ve spoken about us being too attacking in this league many times. Now you’ve having a go because we were too defensive. When you go quiet it means we are winning games. Really hope you go quiet for the next 2 weeks Edited December 20, 2019 by Vive_La_Villa 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
villalad21 Posted December 20, 2019 Share Posted December 20, 2019 (edited) 3 minutes ago, Vive_La_Villa said: To be honest I didn’t. I just see you grabbing any chance you can go have a go at Smith and felt compelled to respond. I’m pretty sure you’ve spoken about us being too attacking in this league many times. Now you’ve having a go because we were too defensive. When you go quiet it means we are winning games. Really hope you go quiet for the next 2 weeks You know there is a middle ground between attacking and parking the bus. Against Sheff Utd we straight out parked the bus and it was really, really stupid. We don't have the playing squad for that type of approach nor do we have a head coach suited to it. Edited December 20, 2019 by villalad21 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vive_La_Villa Posted December 20, 2019 Share Posted December 20, 2019 1 minute ago, villalad21 said: You know there is a middle ground between attacking and parking the bus. Against Sheff Utd we straight out parked the bus and it was really, really stupid. I’ll have to watch it back to comment. We had 43% and 4 attempts to their 5. Although non on target. So whilst maybe not park the bus it does sound like a poor performance. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Laughable Chimp Posted December 20, 2019 Share Posted December 20, 2019 (edited) 4 minutes ago, Vive_La_Villa said: I’ll have to watch it back to comment. We had 43% and 4 attempts to their 5. Although non on target. So whilst maybe not park the bus it does sound like a poor performance. It was kind of parking the bus for the first half. Every single shot we had happened in the second half. It went out the window once we conceded early in the second half. Edited December 20, 2019 by Laughable Chimp Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sharkyvilla Posted December 20, 2019 Share Posted December 20, 2019 1 hour ago, Stevo985 said: Doesn't appear so. He said we didn't go toe to toe. That doesn't mean we didn't try to win the game. We definitely abandoned the playing out from the back principle. Of course that's not the same as not wanting to win but I think we did put more into not taking risks and getting a clean sheet. I'm glad he looks like scrapping it as we go into these next few fixtures. If we play anything close to our best attacking football I think we will win most of these games coming up. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DaveAV1 Posted December 20, 2019 Share Posted December 20, 2019 5 minutes ago, sharkyvilla said: We definitely abandoned the playing out from the back principle. Of course that's not the same as not wanting to win but I think we did put more into not taking risks and getting a clean sheet. I'm glad he looks like scrapping it as we go into these next few fixtures. If we play anything close to our best attacking football I think we will win most of these games coming up. I think the fact that Mings didn’t play had a big influence on the way we played from the back. I know he’s out for a few games but I think we will have worked on keeping to our usual game plan with whoever plays in his place. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KentVillan Posted December 20, 2019 Share Posted December 20, 2019 At the risk of sounding a bit old school, I'm starting to think our biggest problem is set pieces. We're matching most teams in open play (even the Sheffield Utd game wasn't really a domination... just better execution by them in key moments). If we could defend set pieces properly, we'd have had 3 points vs. Man Utd, 1 point vs Arsenal, and probably extra points against teams like Brighton, etc. This is probably a combination of a coaching thing, and also the players we have (e.g. Wesley isn't much use attacking a cross, none of our midfielders are good in the air, our defenders are quite young and inexperienced). 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Only2McInallys Posted December 20, 2019 Share Posted December 20, 2019 Hasn’t there been a statistic that we have conceded the most headed goals this season ? We are missing defensive headers that Tammy was so good at.Does Wesley win any headers ? I think Southampton are weak in central defence so game tomorrow could be high scoring. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KentVillan Posted December 20, 2019 Share Posted December 20, 2019 2 minutes ago, Londonastonvilla said: Hasn’t there been a statistic that we have conceded the most headed goals this season ? We are missing defensive headers that Tammy was so good at.Does Wesley win any headers ? I think Southampton are weak in central defence so game tomorrow could be high scoring. I doubt it's as simple as a Wes / Tammy thing. Wes is okay on defensive headers. Besides Engels / Mings / Wesley we have quite a short team. You look at the top teams, and they usually have a couple of midfielders who are very good in the air - Fernandinho, Wijnaldum, etc. We're just generally poor across the squad. Don't want to read too much into it, because ultimately it's outfield play that gets you in those positions. But we are throwing away points because of it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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