chrisp65 Posted November 21, 2019 Share Posted November 21, 2019 And then you have to throw the lost tribes and King Haille Selassie I Emperor of Ethiopia conquering lion of the tribe of Judah in to the mix. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vive_La_Villa Posted November 21, 2019 Share Posted November 21, 2019 I think if you have Jewish heritage you will most likely have some sort of affection towards Israel. Regardless of whether you identify yourself as Jewish or not. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vive_La_Villa Posted November 21, 2019 Share Posted November 21, 2019 1 hour ago, chrisp65 said: Just to chip in with my own thinkings, wouldn’t ‘jewishness’ or any religiousness just as easily be described as cultural? People will identify as Jewish or Hindu or Scottish or whatever and perhaps what some of them are doing is holding on to some cultural heritage. Scots living their lives in London, Hindus that drink or Jews that do whatever they shouldn’t. They’re not ‘really’ that thing they label themselves as in any pedantic or prescriptive way, they’ve just decided they are ‘label x’ but than largely make up their own rules. Don’t mean to nitpick or go off topic but I don’t think it’s Strongly forbidden to drink alcohol in Hinduism. It is in Islam though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chrisp65 Posted November 21, 2019 Share Posted November 21, 2019 Just now, Vive_La_Villa said: I think if you have Jewish heritage you will most likely have some sort of affection towards Israel. Regardless of whether you identify yourself as Jewish or not. No. It’s not automatic. There are jews that are vehemently against Israel on religious grounds. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vive_La_Villa Posted November 21, 2019 Share Posted November 21, 2019 (edited) 3 minutes ago, chrisp65 said: No. It’s not automatic. There are jews that are vehemently against Israel on religious grounds. Really? Fair enough. Shows what I know! Edited November 21, 2019 by Vive_La_Villa Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chindie Posted November 21, 2019 VT Supporter Share Posted November 21, 2019 3 minutes ago, Vive_La_Villa said: I think if you have Jewish heritage you will most likely have some sort of affection towards Israel. Regardless of whether you identify yourself as Jewish or not. Israel is fundamental to being Jewish for many Jews. For others, 'Israel' isn't necessarily the state of Israel, but more of a concept. For others, they don't give a ****. And for others, they're actively opposed to it. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chrisp65 Posted November 21, 2019 Share Posted November 21, 2019 5 minutes ago, Vive_La_Villa said: Don’t mean to nitpick or go off topic but I don’t think it’s Strongly forbidden to drink alcohol in Hinduism. It is in Islam though. It depends on the particular sect, just like Christianity. A catholic can legit be a total piss head, a Methodist not so much. 2 minutes ago, Vive_La_Villa said: Really? Fair enough. Not photoshopped: Haredi sect do not believe in Israel as a political state. They oppose secular Zionism and campaign to have Israel scrapped, believing the Jews cannot have their own state until after the return of the messiah. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vive_La_Villa Posted November 21, 2019 Share Posted November 21, 2019 (edited) 2 minutes ago, chrisp65 said: It depends on the particular sect, just like Christianity. A catholic can legit be a total piss head, a Methodist not so much. Not photoshopped: Haredi sect do not believe in Israel as a political state. They oppose secular Zionism and campaign to have Israel scrapped, believing the Jews cannot have their own state until after the return of the messiah. 7 minutes ago, Chindie said: Israel is fundamental to being Jewish for many Jews. For others, 'Israel' isn't necessarily the state of Israel, but more of a concept. For others, they don't give a ****. And for others, they're actively opposed to it. This is why I love VT off topic so much. Every days a school day Edited November 21, 2019 by Vive_La_Villa 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheAuthority Posted November 22, 2019 VT Supporter Share Posted November 22, 2019 6 hours ago, KenjiOgiwara said: Out of interest does anyone know any younger generation Israelis? If so is there a change in mentality between the generations? I was good friends at uni with an Israeli Jew. Ok, we only did it once but managed to stay friends to this day. Her grandparents and extended family were Zionists who moved there in '48 from Europe (some liberated from camps.) Sadly lots of the family (her grandfather in particular,) died deeply disappointed in what had become of the Zionist state. They felt it had become a right wing state completely saturated by the military-industrial complex as oppose to the egalitarian rather hippy-dippy utopia that was imagined and hoped would evolve. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheAuthority Posted November 22, 2019 VT Supporter Share Posted November 22, 2019 4 hours ago, Chindie said: Jewishness is difficult. Even Jewish people themselves argue who is and isn't a Jew. There are undoubtedly Jewish people out there that simply converted, but equally there's a lot of Jews that would argue you can't 'become' a Jew, and only people born of a Jewish mother are Jews. And undoubtedly that's true of Jewish people as well - the numbers of Jewish people who are atheist, who've binned the rules, but still identify as Jewish is enormous. But the difficulty with Jewishness is that it also does a genuine race aspect. You are able to do DNA tests of people and identify that they are descended from a group of people who were associated with Judaism. To make it more complicated, you can identify multiple races of Jewish people, and there's actually historically been racism between these races of Jewish people. Hence Jewishness is complicated. It usually gets called an 'ethnoreligion' because it has elements of religion, culture, ethnicity and race. It isn't 'just' a religion, it's a people. And it isn't a people. It's a race, and it's 3 races, and it's not a race. It's a culture, and it's more than that. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheAuthority Posted November 22, 2019 VT Supporter Share Posted November 22, 2019 3 hours ago, chrisp65 said: It depends on the particular sect, just like Christianity. A catholic can legit be a total piss head, a Methodist not so much. Not photoshopped: Haredi sect do not believe in Israel as a political state. They oppose secular Zionism and campaign to have Israel scrapped, believing the Jews cannot have their own state until after the return of the messiah. When I was reading this my mind was going, "reasonable, reasonable, reasonable, reas... Oh FFS Come on!" 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KenjiOgiwara Posted November 22, 2019 Share Posted November 22, 2019 (edited) 18 hours ago, TheAuthority said: I was good friends at uni with an Israeli Jew. Ok, we only did it once but managed to stay friends to this day. Her grandparents and extended family were Zionists who moved there in '48 from Europe (some liberated from camps.) Sadly lots of the family (her grandfather in particular,) died deeply disappointed in what had become of the Zionist state. They felt it had become a right wing state completely saturated by the military-industrial complex as oppose to the egalitarian rather hippy-dippy utopia that was imagined and hoped would evolve. What was her thought's on the 2 state solution? Assuming you're not 70 years old here Remember personally when I studied I lived briefly with a palestinian girl. The stories about how she had to go through check points to get to school made a lasting impression. Basically the israelis did their best to make sure they couldn't have normal lives. I think she studied at Universities still in the parts of palestine that was recently occupied, so I am not sure how that is working out now. Edited November 22, 2019 by KenjiOgiwara Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Xela Posted November 22, 2019 Share Posted November 22, 2019 On 21/11/2019 at 21:05, chrisp65 said: @Voinjama is that you? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
blandy Posted November 23, 2019 Moderator Share Posted November 23, 2019 On 22/11/2019 at 06:39, chrisp65 said: That reminds me, I must find the hedge trimmer. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
snowychap Posted December 23, 2019 Share Posted December 23, 2019 (edited) Edited December 23, 2019 by snowychap 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
peterms Posted December 23, 2019 Share Posted December 23, 2019 It's a good job they didn't accuse Israel of war crimes, because that would be anti-semitic. Quote JERUSALEM (Reuters) - Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu accused the International Criminal Court of anti-Semitism on Sunday over its chief prosecutor’s plan to pursue a war crimes probe in the Palestinian Territories. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Awol Posted January 3, 2020 Share Posted January 3, 2020 If this is true it’s a holyshit moment. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
villakram Posted January 3, 2020 Share Posted January 3, 2020 30 minutes ago, Awol said: If this is true it’s a holyshit moment. US just lit the torchpaper... Iraqi parliament response to this should be interesting, nevermind all the other actors. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
villaluke Posted January 3, 2020 Share Posted January 3, 2020 is this why World War 3 is trending on twitter?! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Davkaus Posted January 3, 2020 Share Posted January 3, 2020 An impeached president ordering an assassination of a foreign military leader. **** hell. I wonder what his motivation was 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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