TRO Posted November 14, 2017 Share Posted November 14, 2017 11 hours ago, Villan4Life said: Linked with Connor Shields of Albion Rovers who has 11 in 18 this season: http://www.birminghammail.co.uk/sport/football/transfer-news/aston-villa-scout-form-striker-13898620 Its all well and good looking at other teams strikers and being seduced by their past record....but we have to sign players to fit in to our system and style.. At present we haven't got the quality of midfielder to bring in or feed strikers that rely on the service of threaded balls or intricate passing and moving. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AvfcRigo82 Posted November 14, 2017 Share Posted November 14, 2017 Attacking like minded midfielders. We have lacked pace and flair since the days of Young and Milner tearing up the wings and striking the shit of fear out of defenders.. Barry's through balls. We need these type of player again and more fluency to our style of playing. Again.. We have too much defensive mentality and like minded midfielders to dare try this! We certainly need to get shot of McCormack or Agbonlahor or even both and sign an attacking midfielder with the money/wages free'd up. They are both finished at this level of football. Still leaves us with Hogan, Kodja, Davis & Hepburn-Murphy. Which is more than enough in the strikers department. If he sells Hogan then he needs to sign a decent replacement striker. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vive_La_Villa Posted November 14, 2017 Share Posted November 14, 2017 Heard we are linked with Diame. Would be a very good signing. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Demitri_C Posted November 14, 2017 Share Posted November 14, 2017 Diame on loan yes bloody please! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grasshopper Posted November 14, 2017 Share Posted November 14, 2017 (edited) Absolute nonsense Tro Quote but we have to sign players to fit in to our system and style.. If that is what you are suggesting then we need to sell Whelan Jedi Kodjia Hogan McC Grealish O‘Hare Hourihane and lansbury Then buy 3 DM‘s one left footed one right footed and one as cover who can hoof and find a Villa shirt Plus 2 CF a la Davis, one first teamer and one as cover, who hang on last defender and are strong in the air Then we can go Bruce-ball 100% SJ Elmo Samba Chester Hutton RDM LDM Snod Adomah Davis & 6ft+er CF Quote At present we haven't got the quality of midfielder to bring in or feed strikers that rely on the service of threaded balls or intricate passing and moving. Hourihane Onomah O‘Hare Grealish & McC -> through balls to Hogan & Kodjia All say hello Tro really is Bruce If not Steve, At least Alex Bruce. Edited November 14, 2017 by Grasshopper 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
omariqy Posted November 14, 2017 Share Posted November 14, 2017 Reckon we will get a striker in on loan and maybe some defensive cover. We are pretty well stocked elsewhere. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
villanwesty88 Posted November 14, 2017 Share Posted November 14, 2017 Evra on a free transfer....got one hell of a kick on him as well 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GREAT_BEARD_OF_ZEUS Posted November 14, 2017 Share Posted November 14, 2017 3 hours ago, Grasshopper said: Hourihane Onomah O‘Hare Grealish & McC -> through balls to Hogan & Kodjia All say hello Tro really is Bruce If not Steve, At least Alex Bruce. The way I see it, which may help vindicate @TRO's comments is this: We've do have players with the passing ability to play clever through balls to a striker like Hogan or Musa, all the ones you've mentioned above @Grasshopper have that in their locker. However what's stopping them in the main, is our inability as a team to create space! The space to play the ball through and the space for strikers to run into. The reasons why we don't IMO are: 1. As a team we don't play enough of an expansive, passing style of football which has the effect of drawing the opposition out-of-position and opening up gaps / pockets of space. We're capable on occasion but teams like Wolves, Fulham (may be not so much recently), Reading etc do this througout every game - we're nowhere near that level of passing. 2. Weaker sides invariably set up to sit deep against us. There's much less room for strikers to play in and as a result we've found joy in playing someone like Davis who can hold the ball up in tight spaces with his back to goal and allow the midfield to move up the pitch so we can create in numbers. 3. Against the stronger sides, where there is more space between the lines, we don't play 4-4-2. Go back to point 1 and it tells you that to avoid being out passed we pack the midfield. Even playing on the break, when it's one man up top you're easily marked out of the game - so again it's more effective to stick a big man up there to try and hold the ball. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grasshopper Posted November 14, 2017 Share Posted November 14, 2017 6 minutes ago, GREAT_BEARD_OF_ZEUS said: The way I see it, which may help vindicate @TRO's comments is this: We've do have players with the passing ability to play clever through balls to a striker like Hogan or Musa, all the ones you've mentioned above @Grasshopper have that in their locker. However what's stopping them in the main, is our inability as a team to create space! The space to play the ball through and the space for strikers to run into. The reasons why we don't IMO are: 1. As a team we don't play enough of an expansive, passing style of football which has the effect of drawing the opposition out-of-position and opening up gaps / pockets of space. We're capable on occasion but teams like Wolves, Fulham (may be not so much recently), Reading etc do this througout every game - we're nowhere near that level of passing. 2. Weaker sides invariably set up to sit deep against us. There's much less room for strikers to play in and as a result we've found joy in playing someone like Davis who can hold the ball up in tight spaces with his back to goal and allow the midfield to move up the pitch so we can create in numbers. 3. Against the stronger sides, where there is more space between the lines, we don't play 4-4-2. Go back to point 1 and it tells you that to avoid being out passed we pack the midfield. Even playing on the break, when it's one man up top you're easily marked out of the game - so again it's more effective to stick a big man up there to try and hold the ball. Absolutely. Then it‘s even more confusing that Bruce had Jedi as proof that an old hand with no legs and injury prone was not what we needed. However, he still bought Whelan (basically like for like) with minimal improvement. Hence, numbers in MF instead of quality. Leaving us short (only 1 up top). Now a manager of his experience should have known that. Taking this info into account, Bruce should have bought a Davis-type player instead of Hogan and a more mobile destroyer than Whelan. We are now approaching a Jan window where we need a CB & LB just to do the same old. When we actually need a DM with passing skills, A CB as cover, a LB for cover and a CF (Davis like) for cover so that we can make use of the money spent on Hogan, Lansbury and Hourihane, plus the Snod & Onomah loans to come to fruition 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brumerican Posted November 14, 2017 Share Posted November 14, 2017 4 hours ago, Grasshopper said: When we actually need a DM with passing skills. I say it every window but Ryan Woods would be ideal for us . 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AvfcRigo82 Posted November 15, 2017 Share Posted November 15, 2017 6 hours ago, Brumerican said: I say it every window but Ryan Woods would be ideal for us . We prob have more chance signing Tiger Woods! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheAuthority Posted November 15, 2017 VT Supporter Share Posted November 15, 2017 19 minutes ago, AvfcRigo82 said: We prob have more chance signing Tiger Woods! Is he a right back? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AvfcRigo82 Posted November 15, 2017 Share Posted November 15, 2017 9 minutes ago, TheAuthority said: Is he a right back? No, but I have heard he's a right ar$3hole! 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lexicon Posted November 15, 2017 Share Posted November 15, 2017 6 hours ago, Brumerican said: I say it every window but Ryan Woods would be ideal for us . Why though? He wouldn't come in to replace any of our DMs as he isn't as good defensively and his passing, statistically speaking, is nothing special either. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brumerican Posted November 15, 2017 Share Posted November 15, 2017 1 hour ago, lexicon said: Why though? He wouldn't come in to replace any of our DMs as he isn't as good defensively and his passing, statistically speaking, is nothing special either. I disagree massively. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
meregreen Posted November 15, 2017 Share Posted November 15, 2017 Diame would be yet another old player, here for a payday, blocking our kids. No thanks 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TRO Posted November 15, 2017 Share Posted November 15, 2017 22 hours ago, AvfcRigo82 said: Attacking like minded midfielders. We have lacked pace and flair since the days of Young and Milner tearing up the wings and striking the shit of fear out of defenders.. Barry's through balls. We need these type of player again and more fluency to our style of playing. Again.. We have too much defensive mentality and like minded midfielders to dare try this! We certainly need to get shot of McCormack or Agbonlahor or even both and sign an attacking midfielder with the money/wages free'd up. They are both finished at this level of football. Still leaves us with Hogan, Kodja, Davis & Hepburn-Murphy. Which is more than enough in the strikers department. If he sells Hogan then he needs to sign a decent replacement striker. But none of those are currently scoring goals. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grasshopper Posted November 15, 2017 Share Posted November 15, 2017 2 minutes ago, TRO said: But none of those are currently scoring goals. And I wonder who‘s fault that is 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TRO Posted November 15, 2017 Share Posted November 15, 2017 (edited) 5 minutes ago, Grasshopper said: And I wonder who‘s fault that is Well, it has nothing whatsoever to do with them, does it?....they only have a passing interest. as one is injured, has a long term injury, he can be excused. Edited November 15, 2017 by TRO 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hippo Posted November 15, 2017 Share Posted November 15, 2017 16 hours ago, GREAT_BEARD_OF_ZEUS said: The way I see it, which may help vindicate @TRO's comments is this: We've do have players with the passing ability to play clever through balls to a striker like Hogan or Musa, all the ones you've mentioned above @Grasshopper have that in their locker. However what's stopping them in the main, is our inability as a team to create space! The space to play the ball through and the space for strikers to run into. The reasons why we don't IMO are: I think you're over estimating how many good through balls can played per game. Don't forget the opposition set out to stop this happening. We do have the players and now and then we deliver a cutting through ball for players to pick up and run on to. But if the sole tactic is to put the striker one on one with the keeper that won't happen often enough to produce the required goals. If you watch any compilation of goals in a good % of those the forward has work to do when he gets the ball. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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