Daweii Posted October 2, 2017 Share Posted October 2, 2017 I wonder if she knew his plans. That photo seems to be of a couple on a nice vacation, but of course it could also be of one last drink before our lives as we know them end (assuming the selfie is recent). I am curious it doesn't help her cause that she vanished, but it also likely wouldn't have helped her if she was still in the hotel room either. At least they have detained her so we can hopefully get some information on why this happened. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HanoiVillan Posted October 2, 2017 Share Posted October 2, 2017 7 minutes ago, Genie said: Its going to take one of the US Presidents nearest and dearest being shot to get some action (even then it's not certain). I mean, four presidents have been assassinated out of 45 to have held the office, ie not much less than 10%. The last president to be shot in an attempted assassination was Ronald Reagan, who didn't seem to let it affect him on any political level. The real chance of change is the slow grind of generational change, and ethnic diversification, but it won't be quick and it might not happen at all. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Amsterdam_Neil_D Posted October 2, 2017 Share Posted October 2, 2017 13 minutes ago, villa89 said: Also there's pretty much nothing you can do to stop these type of attacks logistically That's what I mean, they will become a problem like people driving on the pavements. Nothing anyone can do to protect against people in high buildings. Any automatic weapon + any high view point + any football ground or shopping centre for example + terrorist. It is literally a whole new set of angle's for security to think of if in the US or not IMO, you would be mad not to take it into account now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mjmooney Posted October 2, 2017 VT Supporter Share Posted October 2, 2017 1 hour ago, Amsterdam_Neil_D said: Also, Country "music" in built up areas is never going to end well either. Sorry, you've lost me there. And why "music" in quotes? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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BOF Posted October 2, 2017 Moderator Share Posted October 2, 2017 27 minutes ago, LondonLax said: If Sandy Hook didn't change anything nothing will. That was my point really. This changes nothing. This is just America exercising its right to own guns. It will continue to do so. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lapal_fan Posted October 2, 2017 Share Posted October 2, 2017 It's ok, Donald has tweeted! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Davkaus Posted October 2, 2017 Popular Post Share Posted October 2, 2017 I don't want to get in to nitpicking everything the orange one says, but "warmest condolences". That's a bit weird, isn't it? 9 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr_Pangloss Posted October 2, 2017 Share Posted October 2, 2017 33 minutes ago, Wainy316 said: How does an estimated death toll jump from 2 to 50? Easily, 2 were confirmed at the time. However clearly, with a fully automatic weapon, from that height, it's like shooting fish in a barrel, real toll could be towards 100 dead. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lapal_fan Posted October 2, 2017 Share Posted October 2, 2017 1 minute ago, Davkaus said: I don't want to get in to nitpicking everything the orange one says, but "warmest condolences". That's a bit weird, isn't it? Exactly my thoughts. He needs a dickhead filter. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Daweii Posted October 2, 2017 Share Posted October 2, 2017 1 minute ago, Amsterdam_Neil_D said: That's what I mean, they will become a problem like people driving on the pavements. Nothing anyone can do to protect against people in high buildings. Any automatic weapon + any high view point + any football ground or shopping centre for example + terrorist. It is literally a whole new set of angle's for security to think of if in the US or not IMO, you would be mad not to take it into account now. Impossible to stop so I wouldn't even try. I mean lets say architects come up with the next generation of building. Every balcony comes with a bulletproof glass window so it's a view port out into the world, but not a chance to get fresh air anymore. They do the same for shopping centres so that each floor is a self contained bubble you can see down into other floors, but bulletproof glass will stop would be shooters from doing anything. Football stadiums we'll just all sit in bulletproof glass pods while we watch our favourite pastime. You can't stop this and even if our future was as dumb as what I outlined we would need to ban hallways, doorways and any other choke point that would assist a shooter. Yes this guy used tactical thought and chose a vantage point, but what would have stopped him buying a light machine gun and just shooting wildly in a shopping centre? Or a casino? Any area that allows any kind of line of sight is a shooters wet dream and that's a fact of life. It's the same reason we can't ban cars, trucks and knives because they all have every day uses as well as being weapons. This is a shitty situation, but we can't do a thing about it unless we want to make every building feel like a prison. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr_Pangloss Posted October 2, 2017 Share Posted October 2, 2017 18 minutes ago, HanoiVillan said: I mean, four presidents have been assassinated out of 45 to have held the office, ie not much less than 10%. The last president to be shot in an attempted assassination was Ronald Reagan, who didn't seem to let it affect him on any political level. The real chance of change is the slow grind of generational change, and ethnic diversification, but it won't be quick and it might not happen at all. I'm not sure how this would be that much of an important variable? However generational change yes. The political will has to be there but far too many people believe it's their right to have firearms, this gets passed down generations. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HanoiVillan Posted October 2, 2017 Share Posted October 2, 2017 Just now, Davkaus said: I don't want to get in to nitpicking everything the orange one says, but "warmest condolences". That's a bit weird, isn't it? Yes, not a very strong collocation! It's normally 'warmest congratulations', while condolences are normally 'heartfelt' or 'sincere'. Just one of the many dangers of tweeting from the bog rather than letting professional PR people take care of it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rugeley Villa Posted October 2, 2017 Share Posted October 2, 2017 Looks like I was wrong. Maybe I should cut those isis dudes a bit of slack. Maybe next time I should wait before jumping to conclusions. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Davkaus Posted October 2, 2017 Popular Post Share Posted October 2, 2017 Just now, Rugeley Villa said: Maybe I should cut those isis dudes a bit of slack If you'd cut this bullshit out of your post, people might have taken it for actual regret. 11 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ingram85 Posted October 2, 2017 Share Posted October 2, 2017 "Warmest Condolences" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HanoiVillan Posted October 2, 2017 Share Posted October 2, 2017 3 minutes ago, Dr_Pangloss said: I'm not sure how this would be that much of an important variable? However generational change yes. The political will has to be there but far too many people believe it's their right to have firearms, this gets passed down generations. Statistics show that white people are significantly more likely to own firearms, or have access to them. In fact, the statistic I was wrong about is generational change - I thought I remembered seeing fewer young people interested in or with access to firearms, but it seems I was wrong: from: http://www.pewsocialtrends.org/2017/06/22/the-demographics-of-gun-ownership/ (Obviously, my assumption here is that less access to guns equals fewer mass killings. I know some people dispute that, but I think they're wrong) 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Keyblade Posted October 2, 2017 Share Posted October 2, 2017 3 minutes ago, Rugeley Villa said: Looks like I was wrong. Maybe I should cut those isis dudes a bit of slack. Maybe next time I should wait before jumping to conclusions. Salient advice. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post lapal_fan Posted October 2, 2017 Popular Post Share Posted October 2, 2017 3 minutes ago, Rugeley Villa said: Looks like I was wrong. Maybe I should cut those isis dudes a bit of slack. Maybe next time I should wait before jumping to conclusions. No, you shouldn't cut anyone whose sole purpose is to force people into their belief system by using violence any slack. What you should stop doing is guessing whodunit based on nothing but your own, warped views, which are pretty dangerous as well. 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StefanAVFC Posted October 2, 2017 Share Posted October 2, 2017 8 minutes ago, Rugeley Villa said: Maybe I should cut those isis dudes a bit of slack. Pathetic. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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