StefanAVFC Posted October 2, 2017 Share Posted October 2, 2017 2 minutes ago, Rugeley Villa said: Big difference. You do get white people killing in the name of religion, but it's mainly Muslims that do that. Unbelievably ignorant. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chindie Posted October 2, 2017 VT Supporter Share Posted October 2, 2017 Just now, Rugeley Villa said: Because it's the norm. In America, it isn't. Decades of spree killing shows that. But I think you know that. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rugeley Villa Posted October 2, 2017 Share Posted October 2, 2017 45 minutes ago, StefanAVFC said: You seem desperate for it to be somebody from ISIS; instead of making any sort of sympathetic post or anything along those lines, every post has been political or about ISIS. Just put a sock in it. 20 people have died ffs. I **** know that. What good does a sympathetic post do, Even though I've made them in the past. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Keyblade Posted October 2, 2017 Share Posted October 2, 2017 2 minutes ago, Chindie said: No it isn't, not on the basis of what we know. It's possible to commit acts of horrendous violence and it not be a terrorist attack. Terrorism requires political meaning and aims. A guy randomly shooting a concert could be terrorism, but without the political angle, it isn't. You're right, I meant on the assumption that both attacks were political in nature as they usually are these days. You rarely hear of 1 batshit dude going off just because nowadays. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StefanAVFC Posted October 2, 2017 Share Posted October 2, 2017 44 minutes ago, Rugeley Villa said: I **** know that. What good does a sympathetic post do, Even though I've made them in the past. You're making post after post in the immediate wake of a massacre, exclusively about ISIS and muslims. Give it a **** rest. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tomsky_11 Posted October 2, 2017 Share Posted October 2, 2017 4 minutes ago, Rugeley Villa said: My mind is programmed to always blame the Muslims. Also fixed. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Keyblade Posted October 2, 2017 Share Posted October 2, 2017 Also it didn't even occur to me that the attacker could be a Muslim. Las Vegas is the one place on earth other than Gitmo that a fundamentalist Muslim would want to avoid 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rugeley Villa Posted October 2, 2017 Share Posted October 2, 2017 We shall see then. Either way regardless of what some ignorant people think I'd rather it not happened at all. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rugeley Villa Posted October 2, 2017 Share Posted October 2, 2017 1 minute ago, StefanAVFC said: You're making post after post in the immediate wake of a massacre, exclusively about ISIS and muslims. Give it a **** rest. I said in my post on page one that I could be wrong. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StefanAVFC Posted October 2, 2017 Share Posted October 2, 2017 Just now, Rugeley Villa said: I said in my post on page one that I could be wrong. Yet you continued to state: Quote I'm could be wrong then, but I'm still wagering that it's something to do with an isis supporter. Quote Big difference. You do get white people killing in the name of religion, but it's mainly Muslims that do that. Quote Because it's the norm. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Keyblade Posted October 2, 2017 Share Posted October 2, 2017 I mean given what we know about the attack, if you were to try to guess who did it I'd say the easy money would be on a lone white gunman. But you never know. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lapal_fan Posted October 2, 2017 Share Posted October 2, 2017 It's particularly sad (I think) because Las Vegas is a place where people go, just to let their hair down - no one is on guard there, almost everyone on the strip is on holiday, having a good time. It's like shooting up Disney Land for adults. Have they got the guy yet? I'm behind on the news - but it appears as though there is a lockdown on the strip (which is huge). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LondonLax Posted October 2, 2017 Share Posted October 2, 2017 2 minutes ago, lapal_fan said: It's particularly sad (I think) because Las Vegas is a place where people go, just to let their hair down - no one is on guard there, almost everyone on the strip is on holiday, having a good time. It's like shooting up Disney Land for adults. Have they got the guy yet? I'm behind on the news - but it appears as though there is a lockdown on the strip (which is huge). They blew open the door of the hotel room he was locked in and shot him. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chindie Posted October 2, 2017 VT Supporter Share Posted October 2, 2017 9 minutes ago, Keyblade said: You're right, I meant on the assumption that both attacks were political in nature as they usually are these days. You rarely hear of 1 batshit dude going off just because nowadays. We hear less about it because it's become a norm and only the truly grim or unusual occurances make international news. The US is quite literally having a few of these events monthly to some degree or another. They're rarely 'spectacular' or kill as many, but there's a school shooting or disgruntled employee or so on happening worryingly regularly. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KHV Posted October 2, 2017 Share Posted October 2, 2017 I see the Daily Mail have already gone down the ISIS route based on the fact LV was on high alert after an ISIS video called for a lone wolf attack on the strip in a propaganda video back in May. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Keyblade Posted October 2, 2017 Share Posted October 2, 2017 Just now, Chindie said: We hear less about it because it's become a norm and only the truly grim or unusual occurances make international news. The US is quite literally having a few of these events monthly to some degree or another. They're rarely 'spectacular' or kill as many, but there's a school shooting or disgruntled employee or so on happening worryingly regularly. Oh for sure. Unhinged employee opening gunfire on his coworkers or disgruntled student mowing down his peers has become all too normal over there. But when something like this happens it's more often politically motivated. And all things being equal, that would make it a terrorist attack whether it was a white guy or a Muslim guy was the point I was trying to make to Ruge. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Amsterdam_Neil_D Posted October 2, 2017 Share Posted October 2, 2017 The implications are enormous, probably as big as anything recently. Any high building overlooking any crowded environment is now a problem worldwide. Also, Country "music" in built up areas is never going to end well either. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr_Pangloss Posted October 2, 2017 Share Posted October 2, 2017 So it was a fully automatic weapon? My understanding is that these are hard to get in the US? (as opposed to semi autos) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr_Pangloss Posted October 2, 2017 Share Posted October 2, 2017 41 minutes ago, Davkaus said: People all over the internet were talking about multiple shooters and some sort of coordinated attack on America. People panic and start saying all sorts of crazy stuff. There were a few instances of false reports of shooting and the police turning up at hotels and casinos for no reason, because every time a door slams while something like this is going on, people fear the worst. In fairness, people on the ground probably would have assumed it was multiple shooters given the shooter appears to have been using an automatic rifle. Police at that point are responding to a lot of things that they have to assume were linked. I listened to a police scanner for like 10 minutes and all sorts of shit was getting dialed in. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
osmark86 Posted October 2, 2017 Share Posted October 2, 2017 Agreed key. normally it seems to follow: disgruntled worker - shoots up the office where said worker was employed school shooting - shoots up the school where said shooter went This was a case of a person firing blindly into a crowd of strangers to which he had no relation (unless he really, really hated country music fans which is like the least probable reason for going on a killing spree). This leads me to believe that it was either politically motivated, in which case it should be treated as terrorism (white dude, brown dude, black dude it REALLY doesn't make a difference), or it was a senseless act of violence by someone who had completely checked out of society. Then again, people do that because they feel like they aren't being represented so it's really hard to detach the political factor even in such cases. Very tragic event. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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