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Russia and its “Special Operation” in Ukraine


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1 hour ago, OutByEaster? said:

We can't sacrifice market stability just for the sake of some sort of real world war thing.

Won't somebody think of the bankers!

 

You only need to worry about Cypriot and Maltese bankers.

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9 hours ago, foreveryoung said:

I never know why we ever get involved. We are a tiny little island that could be gone with a little nuke. Let the Americans deal with it, or even the Chinese.

The UK is the 5th biggest economy in the world and growing. Russia is 11th and sinking. Its only natural powerful countries like the UK will discipline weaker countries like Russia when they misbehave. Its the natural order of things. Particularly when they cant hurt the UK.

The USA's missile defence system also covers NATO and the UK specifically. Its at times like these we can all be thankful for our alliances and friends. No wonder Putin hates NATO so much. It has made him impotent.

 

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9 hours ago, OutByEaster? said:

We can't sacrifice market stability just for the sake of some sort of real world war thing.

Won't somebody think of the bankers!

 

Well that's the arguement of those that are liberalists compared to realists; the greater economic interdependence that there is within the international state system, then the less likely they would be to get into meaningful conflict with each other as it will hurt everyone economically.

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44 minutes ago, peterw said:

Well that's the arguement of those that are liberalists compared to realists; the greater economic interdependence that there is within the international state system, then the less likely they would be to get into meaningful conflict with each other as it will hurt everyone economically.

One of the (many) difficulties with Liberal doctrine on that of course comes when the ability to profit from war becomes a better outcome for the market than sanctions which might cause it an issue.

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30 minutes ago, OutByEaster? said:

One of the (many) difficulties with Liberal doctrine on that of course comes when the ability to profit from war becomes a better outcome for the market than sanctions which might cause it an issue.

It's not just the stock markets. If we were to do something that would actually impact Russia, like sanctions against their oil and gas for example, it would likely send oil prices from the currently painful $100 a barrel up to an eyewatering $150 a barrel. The current household electric and gas prices would also massively shoot up. It would send inflation off the charts and cause huge pain for the average person in Europe. 

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45 minutes ago, OutByEaster? said:

One of the (many) difficulties with Liberal doctrine on that of course comes when the ability to profit from war becomes a better outcome for the market than sanctions which might cause it an issue.

That's quite the opposite of a liberalist doctrine. There is no scope for war other than when a state is looking to protect itself; and its developed to export not just economic interdependence but also democracy, as the idea is that democracies do not go to war with each other. Neorealism and neo liberalism are more normative in their outlook since the end of the Cold War (adding int he human aspect of state behaviour), but there is no economic 'profit' in your understanding in liberalist theory.

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6 minutes ago, ml1dch said:

 

From the people who brought you "footballers should stay in their lane and keep out of politics" now comes "we want footballers to take a greater political stand against war in Europe that the British Government is prepared to"

Im sure that if one of the Manchester clubs make it to the final,they will no doubt jump at the chance to boycott it

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Crisis over, no need to worry about the Russians. You can all sleep safe tonight the Swedish police got the situation sorted.

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Swedish police start national operation after Ukraine crisis: "Reduce vulnerability"

The order: Refuel all police cars

 

The police in Sweden are acting after the tense situation between Ukraine and Russia .

A national special event has begun, and police are urged to fully refuel their cars, according to information to Aftonbladet.

- Our focus is to follow the development of events, says Nadia Jaber at the national media center. 

"Make the police more robust"

The decision, made by the National Operations Department (NOA), means, among other things, that the police can call in extra resources or have them on standby, and use specialist functions.

According to information to Aftonbladet, as part of the armament, there have been calls in regions to start fully refueling all police cars and other service vehicles with fuel.

https://www.aftonbladet.se/nyheter/a/0GJJnM/svensk-polis-startar-insats-efter-ukrainakrisen

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1 hour ago, sne said:

Crisis over, no need to worry about the Russians. You can all sleep safe tonight the Swedish police got the situation sorted.

https://www.aftonbladet.se/nyheter/a/0GJJnM/svensk-polis-startar-insats-efter-ukrainakrisen

The Dutch Police are too laid back to bother with all that.

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24 minutes ago, Vive_La_Villa said:

Excuse my ignorance but didn’t all of this happen with Crimea and then eventually the media got bored and found something else to talk about ?

Yes. And the actions taken after that annexation were so simpering Putin had little reason to think anything would change when he did the same thing in Eastern Ukraine. 

Also worth remembering that the guys that were in Eastern Ukraine that definitely didn't have any connection to the Russian military were also the ones that shot that plane down.

And it's also worth remembering that Russian influence has also been working it's way into Georgia...

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11 hours ago, chrisp65 said:

 

I’m taking a punt here, but are you by any chance a diminutive tory MP that has recently self published a book about Brexit?

lol. nah life long lefty who opposed and opposes Brexit with a passion. I am just a realpolitik guy. Its all about power. The UK is in a very strong position.

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