TreeVillan Posted January 8, 2018 Share Posted January 8, 2018 28 minutes ago, TRO said: If the team was strong enough to beat Posh......they would have won. Yes because no underdog has ever won a match ever. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sheepyvillian Posted January 8, 2018 Share Posted January 8, 2018 27 minutes ago, TRO said: If the team was strong enough to beat Posh......they would have won. They were strong enough , but on the day , not motivated enough . Unacceptable ,IMO . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
srsmithusa Posted January 8, 2018 Share Posted January 8, 2018 12 hours ago, Stevo985 said: Yes it would be too late. But the question was specifically “should Steve Bruce be sacked if we drop out of them [playoff places] again?” It wasn’t “Should Steve Bruce be sacked if it looks like we might drop out of the playoff places soon but haven’t quite done it yet?” my objection would be the same by either definition. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TRO Posted January 8, 2018 Share Posted January 8, 2018 6 minutes ago, TreeVillan said: Yes because no underdog has ever won a match ever. Perhaps you are referring to in general......i was referring to on the day. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stevo985 Posted January 8, 2018 VT Supporter Share Posted January 8, 2018 3 minutes ago, srsmithusa said: my objection would be the same by either definition. I don't really understand your point. My answer of if we dropped out next week vs if we dropped out in the last weekend of the season was purely to demonstrate how the question of "Should Steve Bruce be sacked if we drop out of the playoff positions again?" is hugely dependent, imo, on WHEN we dropped out of the playoff places. I can't answer the original question without a timeframe. If the question is "Should Steve Bruce be automatically sacked if we fall out of the playoff positions at ANY point before the end of the season, regardless of context?" then my answer is no. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TRO Posted January 8, 2018 Share Posted January 8, 2018 6 minutes ago, sheepyvillian said: They were strong enough , but on the day , not motivated enough . Unacceptable ,IMO . Thats exactly what i was reffering to on the day. The manager has to take ultimate responsibility, but judging by his animated expression on the side he was bawling on occasion at them. For sure, underdogs are successful in this competition, but surely that highlights the lack of intrinsic motivation some players struggle to muster. I'm sorry, but when I say not strong enough, i meant mentally as well as physically, motivation, desire, will to win and application, in my mind formulate their overall strength as a player. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post striker Posted January 8, 2018 Visiting Supporter Popular Post Share Posted January 8, 2018 Bruce won't be judged on cup games and rightly so when the target is promotion. 4 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Vive_La_Villa Posted January 8, 2018 Popular Post Share Posted January 8, 2018 1 hour ago, striker said: Bruce won't be judged on cup games and rightly so when the target is promotion. Bruce is judged on who he has a cup of tea with never mind cup games. 2 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bobzy Posted January 8, 2018 Share Posted January 8, 2018 5 hours ago, TRO said: For sure, underdogs are successful in this competition, but surely that highlights the lack of intrinsic motivation some players struggle to muster. I'm sorry, but when I say not strong enough, i meant mentally as well as physically, motivation, desire, will to win and application, in my mind formulate their overall strength as a player. Surely teams just beat other teams on certain days? 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vreitti Posted January 8, 2018 Share Posted January 8, 2018 9 hours ago, TRO said: It seems it was the overwhelming choice of Bruces replacement on a poll....my point was this manager suffers the same as Steve Bruce ....his team fails when its not expected to too. Dean Smith seems to be the choice when the brouters are asked for a replacement....so i thought it was apt to highlight the other side of the coin from his many successes over us.....I was trying to add a bit of balance. I would point out there is this tiny bit of difference though, in regard to what the respective managers have had to work with, in terms of squad, money and infrastructure, etc.... you name it. Given all that, some might suggest it's slightly more understandable if/when Brentford suffers a bad result. Fwiw Smith wouldn't be my first choice, but I'm 100% sure he'd do better than Bruce. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Demitri_C Posted January 9, 2018 Author Share Posted January 9, 2018 8 hours ago, vreitti said: I would point out there is this tiny bit of difference though, in regard to what the respective managers have had to work with, in terms of squad, money and infrastructure, etc.... you name it. Given all that, some might suggest it's slightly more understandable if/when Brentford suffers a bad result. Fwiw Smith wouldn't be my first choice, but I'm 100% sure he'd do better than Bruce. I like Smith but defensively he is pretty poor. If Bruce were to leave, I would prefer Jonkavic and I do think he is gettable as he has been complaining in the media about fulhams ambition Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vreitti Posted January 9, 2018 Share Posted January 9, 2018 42 minutes ago, Demitri_C said: I like Smith but defensively he is pretty poor. If Bruce were to leave, I would prefer Jonkavic and I do think he is gettable as he has been complaining in the media about fulhams ambition Agreed, he'd be my first choice candidate as well. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kingman Posted January 9, 2018 Share Posted January 9, 2018 And in other news... Bruce has gone 16/1 from 66/1 over night for the Stoke job! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vreitti Posted January 9, 2018 Share Posted January 9, 2018 3 minutes ago, Kingman said: And in other news... Bruce has gone 16/1 from 66/1 over night for the Stoke job! We are never that lucky. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stevo985 Posted January 9, 2018 VT Supporter Share Posted January 9, 2018 Even wanting Bruce out, I don't think him going to Stoke would be a good thing. It would mean rushing to find a replacement. I'd rather the board let bruce go on their own terms (IF they let him go) and hopefully they'd have a plan of who to get to replace him. That being said, I can't see him going to Stoke Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AvfcRigo82 Posted January 9, 2018 Share Posted January 9, 2018 If it means they pay us enough compo for him I will pick him up personally and drop him off at the Britannia stadium!.. Spoiler ... Enough for someone else's *cough* Rafa's release clause.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Demitri_C Posted January 9, 2018 Author Share Posted January 9, 2018 32 minutes ago, Stevo985 said: Even wanting Bruce out, I don't think him going to Stoke would be a good thing. It would mean rushing to find a replacement. I'd rather the board let bruce go on their own terms (IF they let him go) and hopefully they'd have a plan of who to get to replace him. That being said, I can't see him going to Stoke I agree it would be chaos for us at a vital time. If that were to happen then I would just pay the compensation and get Rowett or Jonakavic in. But why go for Bruce when you can get Rowett? Younger, has brighter futurer in the club and doing better than Bruce Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stevo985 Posted January 9, 2018 VT Supporter Share Posted January 9, 2018 12 minutes ago, AvfcRigo82 said: If it means they pay us enough compo for him I will pick him up personally and drop him off at the Britannia stadium!.. Hide contents ... Enough for someone else's *cough* Rafa's release clause.. Stop kidding yourself. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AvfcRigo82 Posted January 9, 2018 Share Posted January 9, 2018 2 minutes ago, Stevo985 said: Stop kidding yourself. Stop taking things so seriously! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AntrimBlack Posted January 9, 2018 Share Posted January 9, 2018 58 minutes ago, Kingman said: And in other news... Bruce has gone 16/1 from 66/1 over night for the Stoke job! No chance of that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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