RimmyJimmer Posted September 19, 2017 Share Posted September 19, 2017 4 hours ago, DaveAV1 said: I'm not denying that there has been some over reaction, I guess to some extent that comes with the territory in football. I think he's had enough time, but you make a valid argument for stability. Time will tell Jimmy and I don't care who's ultimately right or wrong just so long as The Villa are successful. UTV!! I just think some fans underestimate the size of the hole we were in and are still trying to scramble out of. Bruce is far from the greatest manager of all time but I think he is what we need right now, even if we dont get promotion. If we make another change then that means another 2 windows full of new players to try and settle on top of all the other players who have barely been here 5 minutes, and then trying to implement a different style of play. I cant see any manager turning up at villa park and having an immediate effect. Yes ultimately we all just want to see them win football matches UTV Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RimmyJimmer Posted September 19, 2017 Share Posted September 19, 2017 42 minutes ago, Demitri_C said: I wouldnt go as far as to say he haa done as badly as di matteo. He was a disaster. How many times were we conceding in the last 10 mins? He coukdbt win back to back. Also he humiliated us in the cup against luton town. He was one of the worst ive seen. Id put him in the sherwood catergory. Bruce is underachieving but far better than those two losers. I think the big difference between RDM and bruce is that we look solid at the back now and can only get better going forward now that kodjia is back. This time last year we looked good going forward but were soft at the back with a habit of losing games at the death, which imo is a sign of a very poor side. Things are obviously not perfect but I feel a lot more positive now than 12 months ago. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
clip on mullet Posted September 19, 2017 Share Posted September 19, 2017 53 minutes ago, Eastie said: Your likely to get more response to this in the pre match thread but your team is not far off - I'd play o hare though , and samba not Clark . Didn't even realise there was a pre match thread haha. I'll get my coat. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
srsmithusa Posted September 19, 2017 Share Posted September 19, 2017 I have wanted Bruce out for months, still do. Sorry to be so hysterical. He's just not delivered points in the table or pleasing football on the pitch, or total commitment and effort from the players. I guess I unrealistically expected those things to be his job and thought firing was reasonable if he didn't do them. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RimmyJimmer Posted September 19, 2017 Share Posted September 19, 2017 7 minutes ago, srsmithusa said: I have wanted Bruce out for months, still do. Sorry to be so hysterical. He's just not delivered points in the table or pleasing football on the pitch, or total commitment and effort from the players. I guess I unrealistically expected those things to be his job and thought firing was reasonable if he didn't do them. Fans wanting him out isn't the issue...it's the over the top, childish, name calling reaction of SOME fans that is hysterical, and that's the issue. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
srsmithusa Posted September 19, 2017 Share Posted September 19, 2017 21 minutes ago, RimmyJimmer said: Fans wanting him out isn't the issue...it's the over the top, childish, name calling reaction of SOME fans that is hysterical, and that's the issue. Is over the top defense of him that demeans his critics an equal issue? Over the top is probably in the eye of the beholder. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wilko154 Posted September 19, 2017 Share Posted September 19, 2017 Over the last few weeks I have joined the Steve Bruce out camp. This is based on all of our performances since he took over the job. His style (or lack of style) is unfortunately the reason we are not where we should be so far this season and why we fell short last season. Would I have wanted Villa to lose on Saturday if it meant Bruce would be sacked? No. No supporter should ever want their team to lost a game. Now we come to Saturday, in my eyes it was one of if not the best performance under Bruce. Granted Barnsley weren't the best team we will play this season but you can only play the team that is put in front of you. Now we are 6 games unbeaten, midtable, with our previous game a 3-0 win with a performance to match. I, and we, should be fully behind Steve Bruce now in terms of letting him prove us all wrong, getting a run of results and performances together to pull us back up this table. If his new found 4-4-2 formation and team selection can work and secure us a 12 point haul including the next 3 league games then we will really start climbing the table. Granted most of us wanted him out, and in the grand scheme of things one win isn't enough and won't be if it isn't followed up by another, but everyone should be fully behind both him and the team. I would love Bruce to prove me wrong. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
peterms Posted September 19, 2017 Share Posted September 19, 2017 1 hour ago, RimmyJimmer said: If we make another change then that means another 2 windows full of new players to try and settle on top of all the other players who have barely been here 5 minutes, and then trying to implement a different style of play. But that's actually what the plan is. Wyness interview Quote Wyness reiterated that the immediate priority for Villa is to get the results to win promotion to the Premier League and then consolidate in the top flight. "We’re going to build three teams at Villa, one to get us up, one to stay up and one to push on from there," he added. I understand that to mean push for promotion with the team we have, when we get promoted build a different team to consolidate, and then build a different one to push on from there. He also talks about the need to have a different style of play (presumably the three teams would each have a different style). Where he says "we have got a style we want", I take that to mean "we have in mind a style", not "we currently have a style we want", because he says it's not yet implemented on the pitch. Quote "There’s no doubt we have got a style we want. "I don’t think we’ve actually got it implemented on to the pitch yet, but we know where we’re going. "It takes a long time to ingrain it into the club so it’s really a three, four, five year project, but we’ve got an idea of where we want to go with it." 2 He says in a different interview that Quote We understand the depth of the problems and issues that Steve has had to face. We are convinced that he is the man to get us through longer term. 1 Which raises questions about whether he really thinks Bruce is, as he says, the man to build three different teams and push into a realm of the Premiership he has never reached before. The perception was that Bruce was appointed because he was seen as a specialist in getting promotion out of this division, rather than because he was the bloke to deliver the stated ambition of being one of the top few clubs in the world. I suppose he can't really say we'll get promoted then get rid of him (though that is what is implied of the players, of course). 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RimmyJimmer Posted September 19, 2017 Share Posted September 19, 2017 44 minutes ago, srsmithusa said: Is over the top defense of him that demeans his critics an equal issue? Over the top is probably in the eye of the beholder. Over the top defence of him? What does that look or sound like? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bobzy Posted September 19, 2017 Share Posted September 19, 2017 1 hour ago, srsmithusa said: Is over the top defense of him that demeans his critics an equal issue? Over the top is probably in the eye of the beholder. Over the top defense? Have people been asking for the guy to be knighted or something? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
srsmithusa Posted September 19, 2017 Share Posted September 19, 2017 13 minutes ago, bobzy said: Over the top defense? Have people been asking for the guy to be knighted or something? Just read the never ending cycle of reasons that the results are not really his fault. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AshVilla Posted September 19, 2017 Share Posted September 19, 2017 2 minutes ago, srsmithusa said: Just read the never ending cycle of reasons that the results are not really his fault. I'm sure should we lose tonight the following excuses will have already been prepared - it's a dead rubber, we need to focus on the league, rest a few players. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
briny_ear Posted September 19, 2017 Share Posted September 19, 2017 (edited) 2 hours ago, srsmithusa said: I have wanted Bruce out for months, still do. Sorry to be so hysterical. He's just not delivered points in the table or pleasing football on the pitch, or total commitment and effort from the players. I guess I unrealistically expected those things to be his job and thought firing was reasonable if he didn't do them. Why though have you decided that, after 6 continuous years of these being major problems for the club, Bruce should suddenly be able to solve them all overnight? Edited September 19, 2017 by briny_ear Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jareth Posted September 19, 2017 Share Posted September 19, 2017 21 minutes ago, AshVilla said: I'm sure should we lose tonight the following excuses will have already been prepared - it's a dead rubber, we need to focus on the league, rest a few players. Well excuses or not, we will be resting players and the league is far more important. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vreitti Posted September 19, 2017 Share Posted September 19, 2017 14 minutes ago, briny_ear said: Why though have you decided that, after 6 continuous years of these being major problems for the club, Bruce should suddenly be able to solve them all overnight? It seems 11 months suddenly became overnight. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vive_La_Villa Posted September 19, 2017 Share Posted September 19, 2017 It's free pass for Bruce tonight and almost a chance to see who has the better squad. Both teams will be resting players for the league. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vreitti Posted September 19, 2017 Share Posted September 19, 2017 5 minutes ago, Vive_La_Villa said: It's free pass for Bruce tonight and almost a chance to see who has the better squad. Both teams will be resting players for the league. I get your logic, but I'd argue there's no such thing as a free pass, if we want to build up confidence and actually develop a 'villa style' of play someday. Momentum is equally important, so every competitive game counts imho. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dn1982 Posted September 19, 2017 Share Posted September 19, 2017 I would love Bruce to be our manager at Xmas as it means we are back in with a chance of going up. The problem is I've seen nothing in the last 11 months for me to think he can do it. I don't care about what he's done else where. His record got him the job here but it should be his record here that dictates if he stays. Bruce talked a lot when he first arrived about averaging 2 points a game. He failed last season and so far he is failing this year. I've loads of questions about Bruces management of this squad. Why didn't he try Davis and Hogan as a 2? What had Adomah done wrong to be dropped in the 1st place? 4 RB's in 7 games? It seems now he's stumbled onto an 11 that May actuality work. Will he leave it alone? We have to win our next 3 and until we are in the top 6 and looking at automatic Bruce will still be failing. I hope he can do it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vive_La_Villa Posted September 19, 2017 Share Posted September 19, 2017 3 minutes ago, vreitti said: I get your logic, but I'd argue there's no such thing as a free pass, if we want to build up confidence and actually develop a 'villa style' of play someday. Momentum is equally important, so every competitive game counts imho. Depends how many changes he makes. I guess free pass in the sense that if we lose I don't think we should hammer Bruce for it. If we lose on the weekend though he is in for it. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
macandally Posted September 19, 2017 Share Posted September 19, 2017 I cannot believe how many on here are being lulled into accepting mediocrity and the way we are heading, bloody obscurity. We have blamed everything: Owners - new owner, still pants Players - those that relegated us mostly gone, new squad, still pants Manager - replaced, worse than before Coaching team - replaced, worse than before Now I am being told this is all because we have been pants for years and it will take years to turn round. With all due respect, that's rubbish, a new broom can sweep clean (Lerner/MON) and lift the whole place on its own momentum. I think Tony tried this but he backed dinosaurs in Wyness/Round/Bruce. Substitute those with Cortese/Jokanovic you might be seeing a different story. My concern is we have already blown it and there are people fiddling whilst London burns Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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