Xann Posted July 22, 2016 Share Posted July 22, 2016 Confirmed Not exciting, but at least the players will know what they should be doing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Czechlad Posted July 22, 2016 Popular Post Share Posted July 22, 2016 I think this appointment will work out a lot better than most expect. Allardyce will hopefully play a simpler style which suits England a lot more. 12 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Designer1 Posted July 22, 2016 VT Supporter Share Posted July 22, 2016 As I said in the other England thread, always liked Big Sam and I hope he does well in a thankless role. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest av1 Posted July 22, 2016 Share Posted July 22, 2016 At first i thought it was a joke, but some aspects make sence. People knock his old English style of play but isn't that better than trying to turn bums like Jordan Henderson into the next Xavi? We always seem to want to follow the blueprint of others rather than establish our own identity. 2 years since the world cup and we go into the euros still wondering what formation we are going to play, i suspect that won't happen with Sam. And though he has never had a "big gig" Newcastle aside you would have to say that he has achieved his goals at every job he has had. By all accounts he is a good man manager as well. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sharkyvilla Posted July 22, 2016 Share Posted July 22, 2016 I think the players will respond quite well to him and he will play the right system for them too. Good appointment. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mantis Posted July 22, 2016 Share Posted July 22, 2016 2 year deal? Presumably that'll be renewed regardless of how poor we do in the 2018 WC. The FA are spineless, backwards words removed. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post NurembergVillan Posted July 22, 2016 Moderator Popular Post Share Posted July 22, 2016 During my time in the industry I've heard nothing but good about Sam Allardyce, from players and sports scientists alike. He's always been very progressive in his approach, whether that's Prozone stats, ice baths or Power Plates. As mentioned above he seems to get the best out of the resources at his disposal, and I think it's lazy to suggest he's a long ball merchant. He certainly wasn't when he signed Djorkaeff and Okocha for Bolton, making the latter his captain, or when he managed to turn Stewart Downing into a decent number 10 at West Ham. A lot of people wanted Mourinho, Guardiola, people of that ilk but they've always been able to chose from a large pool of players - most players in the world in fact - thanks to the teams they inherited and the cash at their disposal. Sam's used to working within his means, and it'll be interesting to see how he gets on now the level of talent in his limited pool has gone up. 16 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chrisp65 Posted July 22, 2016 Share Posted July 22, 2016 Very good appointment. Steve Bruce for No2 ? Just looked at England's qualifying group. I think Allardyce's first task will be to stop the media declaring 'we can win this' six games in to the qualies. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mikeyp102 Posted July 22, 2016 Share Posted July 22, 2016 Wonder who his assistant will be? Kevin Davies and Nolan to be involved somewhere? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest av1 Posted July 22, 2016 Share Posted July 22, 2016 When you think about why a lot of people (myself included ) are not really interested in the International team anymore, the same reasons come up time and time again. • Players performing differently from how they play at club level. • Players not looking interested. • The same players being picked inspite of form. • Picking players rather than systems • No plan/identify. • Slow and boring football, not like what we see every Saturday up and down the country. • Playing with fear, having no guts. • The managers always seem to be weak "Yes men" A lot of those are not the sort of things you associate with Big Sam. The more i think about this the more sence it makes. He certainly isn't the best manager in the world, but he might just be the best man for this particular job. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest av1 Posted July 22, 2016 Share Posted July 22, 2016 8 minutes ago, mikeyp102 said: Wonder who his assistant will be? Kevin Davies and Nolan to be involved somewhere? There was talk of Paul Clement on Talk Sport this morning, not sure if there is anything in it or it's just their normal standard of "reporting" They speculated he could be offered the job PT, so it would not get in the way of his work in Germany. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ml1dch Posted July 22, 2016 Share Posted July 22, 2016 47 minutes ago, Czechlad said: I think this appointment will work out a lot better than most expect. Allardyce will hopefully play a simpler style which suits England a lot more. I don't disagree that Allardyce will probably be no worse than pretty much any other manager that could have been chosen, but Roy Hodgson wasn't exactly about tactical intricacies and complicated technical theory. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Xela Posted July 22, 2016 Share Posted July 22, 2016 Delighted with the appointment. As NV says, Allardyce isn't the backward dinosaur that some people assume he is. Always been very forward thinking in terms of preparation. Definitely the best person for the job. I am of the belief that the England manager should be English. He has the ability to polish turds, which he will need with this England squad. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NurembergVillan Posted July 22, 2016 Moderator Share Posted July 22, 2016 55 minutes ago, ml1dch said: I don't disagree that Allardyce will probably be no worse than pretty much any other manager that could have been chosen, but Roy Hodgson wasn't exactly about tactical intricacies and complicated technical theory. I don't think it'd be a fair comparison though. Hodgson seemingly had no plan other than to pick the most high profile eleven players. There's far, far more to Sam than that. Last 20 minutes against Iceland, I don't think Sam would have finished the game with, what, 5 strikers on the field and no service. I don't think he'd take that many strikers to begin with, and especially with only one winger in Sterling who can't cross or score goals. It's easy to call out ifs and buts, so I will, but I think he'd have taken Albrighton or Townsend, I think Vardy's role would've been more clearly defined, and I think we'd have played to Kane's strengths. I was also hoping Rooney was done after this tournament, but Sam's got a good history of getting a final flourish out of attackers in the twilight of their career so I'm hopeful it might be the case here too. I fully expect to be quoted on this post in a couple of years time when we lose on penalties in the second round of the World Cup! 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zatman Posted July 22, 2016 Share Posted July 22, 2016 fair play to Fa for having balls to appoint him, he is not a typical FA appointment BUT Big Sam has talked the talk for years about how he was better than Benitez and Wenger and would manage a big club if he was called Allardici so now is his time to put up 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mantis Posted July 22, 2016 Share Posted July 22, 2016 6 minutes ago, Zatman said: fair play to Fa for having balls to appoint him, he is not a typical FA appointment BUT Big Sam has talked the talk for years about how he was better than Benitez and Wenger and would manage a big club if he was called Allardici so now is his time to put up Whether you think it's a good appointment or not, I fail to see how the FA appointing him took balls. If the FA had balls they'd drop the ridiculous English manager requirement. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kurtsimonw Posted July 22, 2016 Share Posted July 22, 2016 It takes more balls to appoint an Allerdyce than a Capello 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
markavfc40 Posted July 22, 2016 Share Posted July 22, 2016 Really good appointment and I'm really pleased for him as it is something he has always wanted and now he has the chance. As I said in the other thread he has a habit of getting the best out of the players at his disposal and if he does the same with England he will have done better than most England managers. Good luck to him. 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nicho Posted July 22, 2016 Share Posted July 22, 2016 41 minutes ago, markavfc40 said: Really good appointment and I'm really pleased for him as it is something he has always wanted and now he has the chance. As I said in the other thread he has a habit of getting the best out of the players at his disposal and if he does the same with England he will have done better than most England managers. Good luck to him. Good to have a manager with a personality. After Erikson, McLaren, Capello and Hodgson will be good to have an Englishmen who seems to be his own man with his own ideas. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
villan-scott Posted July 22, 2016 VT Supporter Share Posted July 22, 2016 Really pleased for him. I've always liked him, and I think he may surprise a lot of people. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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