Dr_Pangloss Posted June 5, 2016 Share Posted June 5, 2016 4 minutes ago, theboyangel said: Que? The Beckham freekick against Greece was in the qualifiers so wouldn't have had any influence on the route to the final. We played Sweden, Argentina and Nigeria in the group stages of the tournament, drawing with both Sweden and Nigeria but somehow beating Argentina (Michael Owen dive in the box, Beckham scuffed penalty) We then dicked Denmark 3-1 before facing Brazil where as pointed out, Beckham bottled a challenge leading to the equaliser on half time and that Ronaldinho 'did-he-mean-it' free-kick. Umm, yes it would have had an influence on the route to the final. That freekick meant England qualified automatically ahead of Germany. As a result, Germany played a qualifier against Ukraine, after winning that they got drawn into a group consisting of Saudi Arabia, Camaroon and Ireland, and then had to play Paraguay, US and South Korea on route to the final. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kurtsimonw Posted June 5, 2016 Share Posted June 5, 2016 7 minutes ago, theboyangel said: Que? The Beckham freekick against Greece was in the qualifiers so wouldn't have had any influence on the route to the final. We played Sweden, Argentina and Nigeria in the group stages of the tournament, drawing with both Sweden and Nigeria but somehow beating Argentina (Michael Owen dive in the box, Beckham scuffed penalty) Dive. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kurtsimonw Posted June 5, 2016 Share Posted June 5, 2016 1 minute ago, Dr_Pangloss said: Umm, yes it would have had an influence on the route to the final. That freekick meant England qualified automatically ahead of Germany. As a result, Germany played a qualifier against Ukraine, after winning that they got drawn into a group consisting of Saudi Arabia, Camaroon and Ireland, and then had to play Paraguay, US and South Korea on route to the final. The World Cup draw is seeded regardless of how you qualify. Germany were a Pot A team, we were a Pot B team. We could not possibly be in the same group as Ireland, so we wouldn't have basically just replaced Germany like for like. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr_Pangloss Posted June 5, 2016 Share Posted June 5, 2016 Well that sunk my battleship. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Morley_crosses_to_Withe Posted June 5, 2016 Share Posted June 5, 2016 Dr Pangloss - 2/10. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr_Pangloss Posted June 5, 2016 Share Posted June 5, 2016 25 minutes ago, Morley_crosses_to_Withe said: Dr Pangloss - 2/10. What can I say, I hate David Beckham. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mikeyp102 Posted June 5, 2016 Share Posted June 5, 2016 10 hours ago, Stevo985 said: To be fair, I thought Gazza explained it pretty well in that programme. He thought the keeper was going to get a touch so he held back ever so slightly. Then when the keeper failed to touch it, he wasn't expecting it, so couldn't stretch quick enough. If he hadn't made that assumption then he'd have scored. What I always forget about that game, is it was golden goal so that literally would have been it if he had scored. He did explain it very well. But as a fan I still think how it didn't go in. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mark Albrighton Posted June 5, 2016 VT Supporter Share Posted June 5, 2016 2 hours ago, Dr_Pangloss said: To be honest, Spain didn't just outplay England they were point blank robbed. They had two legitimate goals incorrectly ruled out, it was utterly scandalous, on some Korea 2002 level shit. It always make me smile how El Tel is highly regarded as an England manager (by some) based solely on the 5 competitive games at Euro '96. A fairly humdrum draw against the Swiss. A slightly fortuitous win against the Scots (Uri Geller to the rescue ). A great performance against the Netherlands. No argument there, it was great. A lot of luck against Spain as already mentioned. A heroic, heart breaking defeat against a very good German side. So what does leave us with? Two great performances (one ending in defeat) and throw in a bit of Gazza magic for good measure. Having said all that, it was a great tournament though. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zatman Posted June 6, 2016 Share Posted June 6, 2016 Venables was a pre Harry media manager. their careers basically arent that far off and similar situations and allegations Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VillaChris Posted June 6, 2016 Share Posted June 6, 2016 Anyone see that hotel complex he lives in Spain now on the Shearer 96 programme? Didn't realise managers were paid that well in the 90s....;) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr_Pangloss Posted June 6, 2016 Share Posted June 6, 2016 26 minutes ago, VillaChris said: Anyone see that hotel complex he lives in Spain now on the Shearer 96 programme? Didn't realise managers were paid that well in the 90s....;) The only pay slip El Tel received was a brown envelope. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Xela Posted June 6, 2016 Share Posted June 6, 2016 On 05/06/2016 at 10:38, kurtsimonw said: Dive. Hard to believe that's the Spurs manager! 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rodders0223 Posted June 7, 2016 Share Posted June 7, 2016 On 05/06/2016 at 10:30, theboyangel said: Que? The Beckham freekick against Greece was in the qualifiers so wouldn't have had any influence on the route to the final. We played Sweden, Argentina and Nigeria in the group stages of the tournament, drawing with both Sweden and Nigeria but somehow beating Argentina (Michael Owen dive in the box, Beckham scuffed penalty) We then dicked Denmark 3-1 before facing Brazil where as pointed out, Beckham bottled a challenge leading to the equaliser on half time and that Ronaldinho 'did-he-mean-it' free-kick. Scuffed penalty? Come on, that was an absolute rocket ( at least in my memory) One of my favourite memories that penalty, the power, the celebration, the passion. Those Adidas Predator boots were stunning too. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stevo985 Posted June 7, 2016 VT Supporter Share Posted June 7, 2016 26 minutes ago, rodders0223 said: Scuffed penalty? Come on, that was an absolute rocket ( at least in my memory) One of my favourite memories that penalty, the power, the celebration, the passion. Those Adidas Predator boots were stunning too. It certainly wasn't a scuff. It wasn't a particularly good penalty, imo, but to call it a scuff is remembering it wrongly, at best! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr_Pangloss Posted June 7, 2016 Share Posted June 7, 2016 He hit it well but the goalkeeping was terrible. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zatman Posted June 7, 2016 Share Posted June 7, 2016 went through the keeper from what I remembered Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stevo985 Posted June 7, 2016 VT Supporter Share Posted June 7, 2016 No, it didn't. It went to the side of him. But only about a foot to the side of him. If he'd been going in that direction it would have been an easy save. Luckily his weight was shifted to the other side so he couldn't stop it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest av1 Posted June 10, 2016 Share Posted June 10, 2016 Talksport (so probably nonsense) are reporting that information from the England camp suggests Rooney will play behind Kane, Vardy not starting. Not starting Vardy would be a mistake imo. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mikeyp102 Posted June 10, 2016 Share Posted June 10, 2016 6 minutes ago, av1 said: Talksport (so probably nonsense) are reporting that information from the England camp suggests Rooney will play behind Kane, Vardy not starting. Not starting Vardy would be a mistake imo. It is probably the way Roy will go... Definitely not the right choice but will we be surprised with Roy keeping Rooney in? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
V01 Posted June 10, 2016 Share Posted June 10, 2016 Alleged team leak from the other day was: Hart Walker Cahill Smalling Rose Dier Rooney Alli Lallana Wilshere Kane Terrible team so it's probably the way he'll go. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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