bickster Posted September 3, 2019 Moderator Share Posted September 3, 2019 Just now, cyrusr said: they probably know the game is up, the only way they vote is how they best save their own seat. That would produce more Tory rebels than previously by a big margin. Not that JRM will vote the same way as his constituents want., there's a few more of them too. There's a few major Tories that could go in the next Election. JRM, Elmer Fudd and even Johnson himself isn't in that safe a seat Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mjmooney Posted September 3, 2019 VT Supporter Share Posted September 3, 2019 3 hours ago, WhatAboutTheFinish said: I thought Incontinent Mendacity was a new Bournemouth to Spain rail link? Nope. Death metal band. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
desensitized43 Posted September 3, 2019 Share Posted September 3, 2019 7 minutes ago, bickster said: That would produce more Tory rebels than previously by a big margin. Not that JRM will vote the same way as his constituents want., there's a few more of them too. There's a few major Tories that could go in the next Election. JRM, Elmer Fudd and even Johnson himself isn't in that safe a seat Now that would be hilarious. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
snowychap Posted September 3, 2019 Share Posted September 3, 2019 As to the Cherry case: 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tonyh29 Posted September 3, 2019 Share Posted September 3, 2019 2 minutes ago, peterms said: Johnson's performance seems unlikely to win over any waverers. Sometimes bluster, sometimes halting and stammering, sometimes a bit pantomime, quoting lines from the Mekon's briefing note, and not in keeping with the gravity of the situation. And his argument, if you can call it that, is that it would have been possible to negotiate a better deal but for the position being taken by parliament. Kind of "and I would have gotten away with it too, if it weren't for you meddling kids". I dunno , an hour ago I couldn't see how he could win , but I don't think the oppositions have smashed it out the park with their arguments, and he might have stammered his way to convincing a few of the rebels .. I thought he also showed Swinson that he can knock an open goal in the back of the net if you give it to him but i've no doubt others are seeing it very differently Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chindie Posted September 3, 2019 VT Supporter Share Posted September 3, 2019 Johnson's performance here is quite ropey. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
peterms Posted September 3, 2019 Share Posted September 3, 2019 7 minutes ago, tonyh29 said: I thought he also showed Swinson that he can knock an open goal in the back of the net if you give it to him Yes, I don't think she'll have impressed anyone outside her direct family. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
desensitized43 Posted September 3, 2019 Share Posted September 3, 2019 5 minutes ago, tonyh29 said: I dunno , an hour ago I couldn't see how he could win , but I don't think the oppositions have smashed it out the park with their arguments, and he might have stammered his way to convincing a few of the rebels .. I thought he also showed Swinson that he can knock an open goal in the back of the net if you give it to him but i've no doubt others are seeing it very differently I never know how much you can read into things in the commons. You get asked a question and if you don't want to respond to it you don't have to, just engage in a game of "whataboutery". It's like a posh/non-rap version of the final scene from 8 mile. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hippo Posted September 3, 2019 Share Posted September 3, 2019 7 minutes ago, tonyh29 said: I dunno , an hour ago I couldn't see how he could win , but I don't think the oppositions have smashed it out the park with their arguments, and he might have stammered his way to convincing a few of the rebels .. I thought he also showed Swinson that he can knock an open goal in the back of the net if you give it to him but i've no doubt others are seeing it very differently I thought his threat to deselect mp's was very risk. It looks likely he will go to country on Corbyn V No deal Brexit - after his high stakes of this week he can't seriously claim he could pull a deal from the EU with a big majority ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StefanAVFC Posted September 3, 2019 Share Posted September 3, 2019 The fact anyone has to convince anyone that No Deal is bad idea is an abhorrent failure of both our education system and political system. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rodders Posted September 3, 2019 Share Posted September 3, 2019 9 minutes ago, StefanAVFC said: The fact anyone has to convince anyone that No Deal is bad idea is an abhorrent failure of both our education system and political system. Says as much about our inability to rid ourselves of tribalist tendencies. Detail is irrelevant. To No Dealers we are simply "The Enemy". 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post mjmooney Posted September 3, 2019 VT Supporter Popular Post Share Posted September 3, 2019 17 minutes ago, StefanAVFC said: The fact anyone has to convince anyone that No Deal is bad idea is an abhorrent failure of both our education system and political system. I have seen precious few explanations uf what 'no deal' actually means, and I genuinely believe that a lot of Leave voters don't understand. I'm pretty sure that if it had been explained at the outset - "Yes, we want to leave the EU, but obviously we want to continue doing trade with them, and the rest of the world", few would have objected. But the very term "no deal" - undefined - has come to be an emotive rallying cry, indistinguishable from "no surrender". The great unwashed just like it because it makes them feel all Rorke's Drift, well 'ard. The level of political literacy in this country has sunk to an all-time low - to the advantage of anyone well-placed to benefit from it. 6 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
snowychap Posted September 3, 2019 Share Posted September 3, 2019 (edited) Thread: Edited September 3, 2019 by snowychap Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NurembergVillan Posted September 3, 2019 Moderator Share Posted September 3, 2019 Delighted this has blown up 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ml1dch Posted September 3, 2019 Share Posted September 3, 2019 Just to check, has Bercow definitely confirmed the SO24 debate? Would be a pretty fun curveball, if he said there are no grounds for it and it didn't happen. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bickster Posted September 3, 2019 Moderator Share Posted September 3, 2019 2 minutes ago, ml1dch said: Just to check, has Bercow definitely confirmed the SO24 debate? Would be a pretty fun curveball, if he said there are no grounds for it and it didn't happen. Yes, Debate starting about now iirc and voting approx 21:30, it's a few pages back in this thread, todays events have caused many posts since then Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bickster Posted September 3, 2019 Moderator Share Posted September 3, 2019 3 hours ago, Genie said: There you go Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Amsterdam_Neil_D Posted September 3, 2019 Share Posted September 3, 2019 1 hour ago, cyrusr said: 1 hour ago, snowychap said: I just wonder whether there might be a few unforeseen rebels? It's unlikely, I know, but I wouldn't be totally surprised. "Set your course for the Hoth system!" "General, prepare your men." "Mr Stevens, prepare my penne all'arrabiata' " Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Amsterdam_Neil_D Posted September 3, 2019 Share Posted September 3, 2019 (edited) 2 minutes ago, bickster said: There you go I hope the fire alarm doesn't go off or similar. "Boritus Elbowtus" Edited September 3, 2019 by Amsterdam_Neil_D Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chindie Posted September 3, 2019 VT Supporter Share Posted September 3, 2019 Supposedly a growing crowd outside parliament chanting '**** the government. **** Boris' 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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