tonyh29 Posted September 3, 2019 Share Posted September 3, 2019 Just now, StefanAVFC said: To clarify, when I say us, I mean people who are against No Deal which is comfortably the majority. Ah ok , can't really argue with that ... though i might try Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ml1dch Posted September 3, 2019 Share Posted September 3, 2019 17 minutes ago, StefanAVFC said: The only way for an election now, is for a 2/3 majority (I think) to vote for it. The PM can set the date, then move it themselves. Vote of no confidence with simple majority, and no new Government formed in the 14 day period. "A notwithstanding the fixed term parliament act..." piece of legislation which again would just need a simple majority. But they won't introduce that as it's fully amendable. So the others can attach whatever "no to no deal" amendments they want and the legislation would go through with them attached. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StefanAVFC Posted September 3, 2019 Share Posted September 3, 2019 1 minute ago, tonyh29 said: Ah ok , can't really argue with that ... though i might try I would hope you're on our side there Tony. The side of sanity Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
desensitized43 Posted September 3, 2019 Share Posted September 3, 2019 3 minutes ago, tonyh29 said: Its Corbyns Interest then party interest , surely ? I'm sure in Corbyns mind what's good for him is always good for his party. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tonyh29 Posted September 3, 2019 Share Posted September 3, 2019 1 minute ago, ml1dch said: Vote of no confidence with simple majority, and no new Government formed in the 14 day period. "A notwithstanding the fixed term parliament act..." piece of legislation which again would just need a simple majority. But they won't introduce that as it's fully amendable. So the others can attach whatever "no to no deal" amendments they want and the legislation would go through with them attached. I thought Corbyn said he would be temp PM to call an election in the event the Govt lost a VONC , so either way we'd get an election, wouldn't we ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cyrusr Posted September 3, 2019 VT Supporter Share Posted September 3, 2019 The problem with this, is that the government have done it so it can't be discussed in parliament, or even if it was, they would just ignore it. That argument simply reinforces what the government is doing is wrong... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
snowychap Posted September 3, 2019 Share Posted September 3, 2019 3 hours ago, ml1dch said: I've got an unpleasant sinking feeling that the vote tonight might fail. Me, too. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
desensitized43 Posted September 3, 2019 Share Posted September 3, 2019 1 minute ago, tonyh29 said: I thought Corbyn said he would be temp PM to call an election in the event the Govt lost a VONC , so either way we'd get an election, wouldn't we ? All roads lead to an election, as they have pretty much since May failed to get a large enough majority at the last one. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
snowychap Posted September 3, 2019 Share Posted September 3, 2019 (edited) 4 minutes ago, tonyh29 said: I thought Corbyn said he would be temp PM to call an election in the event the Govt lost a VONC , so either way we'd get an election, wouldn't we ? He'd only be PM if he were asked to try and form a new government (after resignation or sacking of existing PM). Edited September 3, 2019 by snowychap Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tonyh29 Posted September 3, 2019 Share Posted September 3, 2019 Just now, snowychap said: He'd only be PM if he were appointed to the role. Ah Ok i kinda assumed they ( the rebel alliance ? ) had agreed that ... but presumably whoever they put in temp charge would have to call an election ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cyrusr Posted September 3, 2019 VT Supporter Share Posted September 3, 2019 1 minute ago, tonyh29 said: Ah Ok i kinda assumed they ( the rebel alliance ? ) had agreed that ... but presumably whoever they put in temp charge would have to call an election ? Not enough of non-labour bods agree to him being PM; hence the government of national unity falls down. Talk was of Ken Clarke or Harriet Harman but even then that wasn't agreed IIRC. The problem that the rebel alliance is that they appear to be unable to agree on a way froward, save for this legislation. That could be what actually saves the government. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tonyh29 Posted September 3, 2019 Share Posted September 3, 2019 3 hours ago, ml1dch said: I've got an unpleasant sinking feeling that the vote tonight might fail. I was looking at voting for the Spelman amendment which I think is the closest indicator of how it might go ? (dunno , i could be very wrong here ?) 17 Tory rebels on that vote , but that doesn't count Cabinet ministers (at that time) ..i.e Hammond , who voted with the government and will now change 5 labour / independents voted with the govt 18 abstained I can't see how the Govt can win tbh ..other than self-preservation kicking in for some Tory MP's 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Genie Posted September 3, 2019 Share Posted September 3, 2019 2 minutes ago, tonyh29 said: other than self-preservation kicking in for some Tory MP's another of the many problems with the current mess. The general public have been very critical of the Tory's acting in their own interests rather than that of the UK as a whole. Fear of deselection for saying what you feel is the right thing to do in a huge, huge moment in this countries history is unacceptable. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StefanAVFC Posted September 3, 2019 Share Posted September 3, 2019 1 minute ago, Genie said: another of the many problems with the current mess. The general public have been very critical of the Tory's acting in their own interests rather than that of the UK as a whole. Fear of deselection for saying what you feel is the right thing to do in a huge, huge moment in this countries history is unacceptable. Yet the Government have spun it that those rebelling are acting in their interests, or the EU's, against the national interest. It's maddening. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cyrusr Posted September 3, 2019 VT Supporter Share Posted September 3, 2019 She is sat next to Ken Clarke, it will be curious which way she votes later this evening... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bickster Posted September 3, 2019 Moderator Share Posted September 3, 2019 12 minutes ago, tonyh29 said: 5 labour / independents voted with the govt Was Frank Field one of them? If so... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
peterms Posted September 3, 2019 Share Posted September 3, 2019 13 minutes ago, tonyh29 said: I can't see how the Govt can win tbh ..other than self-preservation kicking in for some Tory MP's The threat of deselection seems to have hardened some of them in opposition to Johnson, I suppose on the grounds outlined by people like Hammond (member all my life, not going to have my party taken away by swivel-eyed zealots etc). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
desensitized43 Posted September 3, 2019 Share Posted September 3, 2019 Phillip Lee defects to Liberals....Majority gone... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StefanAVFC Posted September 3, 2019 Share Posted September 3, 2019 Mid speech Great stuff Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
desensitized43 Posted September 3, 2019 Share Posted September 3, 2019 1 minute ago, StefanAVFC said: Mid speech Great stuff Yep. That's a premeditated f*ck you. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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