snowychap Posted September 3, 2019 Share Posted September 3, 2019 (edited) 13 minutes ago, tonyh29 said: Yeah but doesn’t HMQ have to go to someone in the Tory party as government is in session ? So would it ordinarily be the deputy PM , a role which has been vacant since 2015 ? Thus I’m trying to work out who it would be No. If the PM resigns (or if the PM is sacked by HMQ), the person most likely to command the confidence of the House of Commons should be the person to be asked to form a Government. Edited September 3, 2019 by snowychap 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dodgyknees Posted September 3, 2019 Share Posted September 3, 2019 1 minute ago, bickster said: I seriously doubt they'll go through with the threat. it would be insanity if they did. Either way he looks bad, weak or desperate. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
snowychap Posted September 3, 2019 Share Posted September 3, 2019 2 minutes ago, Davkaus said: https://www.theguardian.com/politics/live/2019/sep/03/commons-showdown-looms-in-battle-over-no-deal-brexit-live Ha ha ha.. No power at all. A sham of a government: Boris and all his 'short' Cummings. 3 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chindie Posted September 3, 2019 VT Supporter Share Posted September 3, 2019 4 minutes ago, Davkaus said: https://www.theguardian.com/politics/live/2019/sep/03/commons-showdown-looms-in-battle-over-no-deal-brexit-live No, really, we'll do it. Honest. We'll withdraw the whip from all of you, just you watch. Don't make us do it. ...please. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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tonyh29 Posted September 3, 2019 Share Posted September 3, 2019 1 minute ago, snowychap said: No. If the PM resigns (or if the PM is sacked by HMQ), the person most likely to command the confidence of the House of Commons should be the person to be asked to form a Government. Isn’t that if he was forced out via a vonc etc ? if he resigned I thought it passed down within the party ... I say this as it was reported that David Liddington would have become PM had May resigned during the last session Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
peterms Posted September 3, 2019 Share Posted September 3, 2019 In celebration of the vote, the missus is cleaning her teeth while singing "On Ilkley Moor Bar T'aat". I think I have lost it, at this point. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bickster Posted September 3, 2019 Moderator Share Posted September 3, 2019 4 minutes ago, avfcDJ said: Either way he looks bad, weak or desperate. Give May her due, she wasn't stupid enough to make such an idiotic threat It was never going to happen, no government I'm ever aware of would deliberately remove their majority in such a way and now they don't even have that majority They might as well tell the DUP to do one now as well Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HanoiVillan Posted September 3, 2019 Share Posted September 3, 2019 The government will lose the vote tomorrow as well, I think, albeit probably by a slightly smaller margin. They have no leverage here; the threat to deselect MP's is hollow because there were too many of them, and there is safety in numbers. It would have been quite possible to have a big fight about deselecting two or three MP's, but 21 is more than 5% of the parliamentary party. If they drop the deselection threat, the margin of defeat would likely be larger. Hard to see how they could win, and since they can count as well as anybody else the assumption should be that the government are happy to lose tomorrow and go into an election campaign blaming Labour for 'blocking Brexit'. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ml1dch Posted September 3, 2019 Share Posted September 3, 2019 Just now, bickster said: Give May her due, she wasn't stupid enough to make such an idiotic threat It was never going to happen, no government I'm ever aware of would deliberately remove their majority in such a way and now they don't even have that majority Apparently Leadsom was off-message and they are out. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dodgyknees Posted September 3, 2019 Share Posted September 3, 2019 1 minute ago, bickster said: Give May her due, she wasn't stupid enough to make such an idiotic threat It was never going to happen, no government I'm ever aware of would deliberately remove their majority in such a way and now they don't even have that majority They might as well tell the DUP to do one now as well Yep, it was a stupid thing to do, a noose around the neck. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bickster Posted September 3, 2019 Moderator Share Posted September 3, 2019 Just now, ml1dch said: Apparently Leadsom was off-message and they are out. Even funnier, it was always a lose / lose situation if the threat didn't work Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
snowychap Posted September 3, 2019 Share Posted September 3, 2019 (edited) 12 minutes ago, tonyh29 said: Isn’t that if he was forced out via a vonc etc ? if he resigned I thought it passed down within the party ... I say this as it was reported that David Liddington would have become PM had May resigned during the last session Sorry, I may have misread or misunderstood your question. No, it isn't 'passed down within the party'. The position of PM, in as much as it's the person asked to form a government, is something that happens by way of the Monarch asking them to form the government. Edited September 3, 2019 by snowychap 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chindie Posted September 3, 2019 VT Supporter Share Posted September 3, 2019 Guto Bebb on the BBC basically saying nobody can trust a word that comes out of Johnson's mouth. Which is obvious, but it's something to hear that coming from an MP about his own leader. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ml1dch Posted September 3, 2019 Share Posted September 3, 2019 2 minutes ago, Chindie said: Guto Bebb on the BBC basically saying nobody can trust a word that comes out of Johnson's mouth. Which is obvious, but it's something to hear that coming from an MP about his own leader. (former leader) 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HanoiVillan Posted September 3, 2019 Share Posted September 3, 2019 7 minutes ago, ml1dch said: Apparently Leadsom was off-message and they are out. Just seen some comments to this effect. Bonkers. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ciggiesnbeer Posted September 3, 2019 Share Posted September 3, 2019 5 minutes ago, ml1dch said: Apparently Leadsom was off-message and they are out. Excellent news. I was worried for a moment there Boris the Gonk might actually do the intelligent thing and rescue his party. But no he seems intent on destroying it , not very good at this persuading lark is he? I rather thought that was the point in being career politician. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dodgyknees Posted September 3, 2019 Share Posted September 3, 2019 If the Tory party dies I'm getting pissed! You're all welcome to join me. 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HanoiVillan Posted September 3, 2019 Share Posted September 3, 2019 1 minute ago, avfcDJ said: If the Tory party dies I'm getting pissed! You're all welcome to join me. Get the beers in! 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jareth Posted September 3, 2019 VT Supporter Share Posted September 3, 2019 When the election comes the sacking of those 21 major tories will haunt Johnson - regardless of picking up the brexit party voters. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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