Gun and Knife crime

[bobzy]

Cannot fathom what that mother is feeling - lost her daughter due to simply opening a door to see what the noise was outside.  I mean, **** hell.

[PussEKatt]

On 18/08/2022 at 00:51, leemond2008 said:

The old dude had been busking to raise money for Ukraine, they reckon that he might have been followed by someone watching him collect his money.

Think it was on the Daily Mail that I read that earlier on

It never ceases to amaze me what some "low life" will do for money.People who stoop that low should be locked up for at least 10 years.

[bannedfromHandV]

Just now, PussEKatt said:

It never ceases to amaze me what some "low life" will do for money.People who stoop that low should be locked up for at least 10 years.

And castrated to ensure that they can no longer infect the gene pool.

[bannedfromHandV]

This absolute piece of shit in Liverpool will be found.

if not by the police he’ll be turned in by the community, even scumbags draw a line at shooting little kids, whether intended or otherwise. 

This world is so messed up. 

[ender4]

8 minutes ago, PussEKatt said:

It never ceases to amaze me what some "low life" will do for money.People who stoop that low should be locked up for at least 10 years.

Only 10 years?  Just possessing the gun (assuming illegal) should be 10 years.   Shooting it another 10 years.   Killing someone with it an extra 50 years.

[PussEKatt]

I was trying to guess what the law "should do ) if it was up to me.A low life like that would get solitary for life.

[foreveryoung]

Be drug related that shooting of the little girl. It's getting out of hand again in Liverpool, though the authorities won't admit it.

I wouldn't worry about the term he will get once caught. His life is gonna be hell in prison after shooting a child, accidental or not.

[Genie]

It should be just a matter of time now as Police have a suspects name from 2 separate sources.

[bickster]

15 hours ago, foreveryoung said:

It's getting out of hand again in Liverpool,

Do you have the statistics to back this wild claim up?

Because the latest statistics released Aug 4th 2022 by the ONS state that Gun Crime per capita on Merseyside is 10 instances per 100,000 people which is bang on the national average

The gun crime capital of the UK is actually .... drumroll.... BIRMINGHAM with 25 instances per 100,000

The latest figures are for the year ending March 2021

You can download them here at the ONS and if you want to look up the table in the spreadsheet, the relevant table is table 12 (all the data is in the quote box if you are feeling particularly lazy)

So here's the thing, not only do you live in an area where Gun Crime is two and a half times higher than Liverpool, it's actually the worst in the country. Liverpool on the other hand has a level at the national average and for a build up Urban area is rather low, its one of the cities with THE LEAST gun crime.

You know what I keep saying about having opinions you can't justify? Well it applies here in spades

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ENGLAND AND WALES	9,865	8,199	8,082	7,040	6,022	5,158	4,856	4,911	5,182	6,375	6,534	6,883	6,622	5,709	10
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Cleveland	15	34	21	20	25	10	13	14	18	23	26	53	94	102	18
Durham	45	22	10	24	15	16	11	14	12	22	26	46	59	64	10
Northumbria	78	51	52	68	38	42	44	52	70	102	93	92	111	105	7
North West	1,984	1,475	1,272	1,031	828	765	805	802	815	859	990	909	863	727	10
Cheshire	59	61	54	62	61	52	65	54	46	71	81	92	106	94	9
Cumbria	18	28	36	60	28	15	15	33	58	25	49	37	46	20	4
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Hertfordshire	112	68	45	39	31	16	15	8	4	23	34	57	79	46	4
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Suffolk	38	25	16	26	20	22	16	59	51	63	27	33	21	37	5
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City of London	3	3	0	1	3	2	2	2	0	0	1	2	2	0	[u1]
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South East	643	513	445	401	309	369	358	290	361	367	350	463	580	402	4
Hampshire	100	75	100	79	71	72	57	84	113	119	98	110	186	109	5
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Thames Valley	322	214	158	144	123	167	131	47	95	81	62	67	46	51	2
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Devon and Cornwall	111	70	61	64	133	84	116	122	117	82	103	126	107	124	7
Dorset	21	16	32	47	33	24	29	19	29	44	34	44	44	40	5
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Wiltshire	49	45	36	30	27	27	18	21	5	10	39	47	26	18	2
WALES	209	139	155	152	119	94	100	101	114	107	102	115	127	109	3
Dyfed-Powys	25	7	17	16	17	11	8	14	20	16	7	24	16	20	4
Gwent	47	36	29	34	40	24	26	12	15	7	19	20	18	10	2
North Wales	53	42	35	39	21	20	18	15	15	13	20	23	26	18	3
South Wales	84	54	74	63	41	39	48	60	64	71	56	48	67	61	5

 

[foreveryoung]

1 hour ago, bickster said:

Do you have the statistics to back this wild claim up?

Because the latest statistics released Aug 4th 2022 by the ONS state that Gun Crime per capita on Merseyside is 10 instances per 100,000 people which is bang on the national average

The gun crime capital of the UK is actually .... drumroll.... BIRMINGHAM with 25 instances per 100,000

The latest figures are for the year ending March 2021

You can download them here at the ONS and if you want to look up the table in the spreadsheet, the relevant table is table 12 (all the data is in the quote box if you are feeling particularly lazy)

So here's the thing, not only do you live in an area where Gun Crime is two and a half times higher than Liverpool, it's actually the worst in the country. Liverpool on the other hand has a level at the national average and for a build up Urban area is rather low, its one of the cities with THE LEAST gun crime.

You know what I keep saying about having opinions you can't justify? Well it applies here in spades

 

Appreciate the info, but its drugs crime and criminal gangs I'm talking about, I understand the figures on gun and knife crime.

I admit I'm not going on stats, just from a close friend who lives there.

[bickster]

4 minutes ago, foreveryoung said:

Appreciate the info, but its drugs crime and criminal gangs I'm talking about, I understand the figures on gun and knife crime.

I admit I'm not going on stats, just from a close friend who lives there.

You were specifically talking about Gun Crime, the link to drug crime is very strong, granted but I'll wager without looking it up, that because Gun Crime is two and a half times what it is in Liverpool in Birmingham, so is Drug Crime

If you were proposing the idea that Liverpool is the epicentre of the UKs Drug Crime, I may be tempted to agree, however, that crime is across county lines and spreads the length and breadth of the UK from Devon and Cornwall to Scotland. It causes misery throughout the UK, a lot of that is organised from Liverpool. I know because of my job but that isn't what you said

You said Gun Crime was on the increase in Merseyside, it isn't, it's the opposite and in the last year of available stats as above it has fallen dramatically by a third. Birmingham on the other hand (and a lot of other cities too) did not fall  they remained constant

There is a national trend of falling gun crime over the last decade, Gun Crime is reducing nationally and even the hotspots of West Midlands, South and West Yorkshire are reducing but not reducing in line with the national trend, Liverpool is reducing ahead of the national trend. Birmingham's gun crime rates have been above those of Merseyside for over a decade

You post annoys me on a number of levels. Firstly, it demonstrably isn't true and Secondly is plays into that narrative of the media of Liverpool being a crime hotspot, a rough place to live. It clearly isn't, The demonisation of Liverpool as a city has been going on since the '70s and quite frankly its bollocks and "your mate" is talking out of his arse. Also your post seems to assume that gun crime is on the increase and it clearly isn't anywhere, its the kind of paranoid delusion fueled by right wing media, they want you to be afraid, they want to demonize communities and they want you to buy into that idea. Please don't

[ender4]

3 hours ago, bickster said:

 

The gun crime capital of the UK is actually .... drumroll.... BIRMINGHAM with 25 instances per 100,000

 

 

Just out interest where i can see these numbers that Birmingham is the worst for gun crime? The table you posted didn't show Birmingham and i couldn't see the 25 figure in table 12 of the link either.

[bickster]

3 minutes ago, ender4 said:

Just out interest where i can see these numbers that Birmingham is the worst for gun crime? The table you posted didn't show Birmingham and i couldn't see the 25 figure in table 12 of the link either.

scroll right, it's the very last column or alternatively if you download that spreadsheet, if you look at (I think) Table 14 you can see the whole data expressed as per capita by Police Force, historically for the last ten years

All the figures are by Police Force. Birmingham is obviously West Midlands as Liverpool is Merseyside

[foreveryoung]

1 hour ago, bickster said:

You were specifically talking about Gun Crime, the link to drug crime is very strong, granted but I'll wager without looking it up, that because Gun Crime is two and a half times what it is in Liverpool in Birmingham, so is Drug Crime

If you were proposing the idea that Liverpool is the epicentre of the UKs Drug Crime, I may be tempted to agree, however, that crime is across county lines and spreads the length and breadth of the UK from Devon and Cornwall to Scotland. It causes misery throughout the UK, a lot of that is organised from Liverpool. I know because of my job but that isn't what you said

You said Gun Crime was on the increase in Merseyside, it isn't, it's the opposite and in the last year of available stats as above it has fallen dramatically by a third. Birmingham on the other hand (and a lot of other cities too) did not fall  they remained constant

There is a national trend of falling gun crime over the last decade, Gun Crime is reducing nationally and even the hotspots of West Midlands, South and West Yorkshire are reducing but not reducing in line with the national trend, Liverpool is reducing ahead of the national trend. Birmingham's gun crime rates have been above those of Merseyside for over a decade

You post annoys me on a number of levels. Firstly, it demonstrably isn't true and Secondly is plays into that narrative of the media of Liverpool being a crime hotspot, a rough place to live. It clearly isn't, The demonisation of Liverpool as a city has been going on since the '70s and quite frankly its bollocks and "your mate" is talking out of his arse. Also your post seems to assume that gun crime is on the increase and it clearly isn't anywhere, its the kind of paranoid delusion fueled by right wing media, they want you to be afraid, they want to demonize communities and they want you to buy into that idea. Please don't

You assumed, there lies your problem,  yet again! It was a generalisation of organised crime in Liverpool, not particularly gun crime or comparing against other cities, im more than aware Birmingham is also a hotspot.. A work colleague, close friend who lives in Liverpool, says its getting like it was in the 90s, where the gangs seem to be running the show, huge criminal drugs scene.

[Sid4ever]

30 minutes ago, foreveryoung said:

You assumed, there lies your problem,  yet again! 

Not wanting to speak for @bicksterbut when the thread title is “Gun and Knife crime” an assumption that that is what is being discussed isn’t that far of a reach surely.
 

Edited August 24, 2022 by Sid4ever
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[leemond2008]

They've charged a Thomas Cashman aged 34 with the murder of Olivia Pratt-Korbel, he's also been charged with the attempted murder of Cheryl Korbel and Joseph Nee.

Hang the bastard

[Rugeley Villa]

Gun crime doesn’t scare me so much. The thing in Liverpool was a freak incident. Gun crime in this country is mostly gang related in the big cities/towns . It’s knife crime that scares me and is more widespread. Knifes are way more widely available too. 

[Demitri_C]

Vile scum

[Rugeley Villa]

On 24/08/2022 at 14:21, bickster said:

scroll right, it's the very last column or alternatively if you download that spreadsheet, if you look at (I think) Table 14 you can see the whole data expressed as per capita by Police Force, historically for the last ten years

All the figures are by Police Force. Birmingham is obviously West Midlands as Liverpool is Merseyside

Tbf Bicks I also assumed that Liverpool had a massive gang problem which was worse than Birmingham. Liverpool is pretty unique where most gangs are white and most gun fatalities are white. Birmingham is mostly black. 

[tinker]

3 minutes ago, Rugeley Villa said:

Tbf Bicks I also assumed that Liverpool had a massive gang problem which was worse than Birmingham. Liverpool is pretty unique where most gangs are white and most gun fatalities are white. Birmingham is mostly black. 

There's gangs of every race in Birmingham, White, Asian,  Somolia. Town is divided into various areas that are owned by the gangs and that spreads out to all the areas. Birminghams gangs aren't as well publicised as Liverpool,  London or Manchester but they are as deadly if not worse as there are so many of them in such a small area.