Jon Posted November 8, 2023 Share Posted November 8, 2023 7 hours ago, Rugeley Villa said: . It’s laughable. Not now they've banned laughing gas it isn't. 1 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jon Posted November 8, 2023 Share Posted November 8, 2023 8 minutes ago, Demitri_C said: if you are caught with one under age you get the book thrown at you That sounds dangerous. I think they should ban books too just to be safe. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Genie Posted November 8, 2023 Share Posted November 8, 2023 5 minutes ago, Jon said: That sounds dangerous. I think they should ban books too just to be safe. Maybe ban all throwing? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Demitri_C Posted November 8, 2023 Share Posted November 8, 2023 16 minutes ago, Jon said: That sounds dangerous. I think they should ban books too just to be safe. Maybe ban breathing too 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
villa89 Posted November 8, 2023 Share Posted November 8, 2023 1 hour ago, AvfcRigo82 said: My daughter's school had 2 teenagers (females) turn up on the school grounds at the end of last term - both carrying knives! Thankfully, the police arrived before they could gain entry into the school. It's really getting out of hand! Does your daughter have a hit out on her? She gonna get got! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AvfcRigo82 Posted November 8, 2023 Share Posted November 8, 2023 I appreciate the suggestions for laws and certain ages buying knives etc. Nothing stopping these little swines grabbing one out of their kitchen drawer at home though! So yes, if caught with one, harsh punishments should be handed out. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AvfcRigo82 Posted November 8, 2023 Share Posted November 8, 2023 1 minute ago, villa89 said: Does your daughter have a hit out on her? She gonna get got! Not sure of the motive behind the two random teenagers turning up at my daughter's school. - Nor the motive behind your stupid post either! 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rugeley Villa Posted November 8, 2023 Share Posted November 8, 2023 37 minutes ago, Jon said: That sounds dangerous. I think they should ban books too just to be safe. On form today Jon 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Demitri_C Posted November 8, 2023 Share Posted November 8, 2023 41 minutes ago, AvfcRigo82 said: I appreciate the suggestions for laws and certain ages buying knives etc. Nothing stopping these little swines grabbing one out of their kitchen drawer at home though! So yes, if caught with one, harsh punishments should be handed out. I think one big issue that no one talks about, kidz are not scared of the police. I remember when i was growing up i was scared of them. No days they have zero to little respect for police Absolutely correct about nothing stopping them getting them from home but thats where parents should be keeping tabs on their kids 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fruitvilla Posted November 8, 2023 Share Posted November 8, 2023 55 minutes ago, AvfcRigo82 said: Nothing stopping these little swines grabbing one out of their kitchen drawer at home though! So yes, if caught with one, harsh punishments should be handed out. How about advocating for an effective punishment or perhaps a consequence? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bobzy Posted November 8, 2023 Share Posted November 8, 2023 1 hour ago, AvfcRigo82 said: I appreciate the suggestions for laws and certain ages buying knives etc. Nothing stopping these little swines grabbing one out of their kitchen drawer at home though! So yes, if caught with one, harsh punishments should be handed out. It's already illegal. You can't carry a knife in public. I don't know how harsh you should go on it either, to be honest. Some people will undoubtedly carry out of "self defence" - they're being bullied and feel safer knowing they have a weapon on them. Do we treat them in the same manner as someone actually seeking out to kill someone? How would you differentiate between the two? Or do you not and just chuck people in prison irrespective? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Demitri_C Posted November 8, 2023 Share Posted November 8, 2023 Just now, bobzy said: It's already illegal. You can't carry a knife in public. I don't know how harsh you should go on it either, to be honest. Some people will undoubtedly carry out of "self defence" - they're being bullied and feel safer knowing they have a weapon on them. Do we treat them in the same manner as someone actually seeking out to kill someone? How would you differentiate between the two? Or do you not and just chuck people in prison irrespective? Thats where we need to get tougher on bullying. The schools have a responsibility to limit it in school and outside school parents have to. I mean you even have apps now where you can track where your kids are now! Honestly when i was in school (and it was a r ough school) i dont ever recall there been a knife fight or anyone stabbed. We would usually just kick each others arses then play football together afterwards. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bobzy Posted November 8, 2023 Share Posted November 8, 2023 Just now, Demitri_C said: Thats where we need to get tougher on bullying. The schools have a responsibility to limit it in school and outside school parents have to. I mean you even have apps now where you can track where your kids are now! Honestly when i was in school (and it was a r ough school) i dont ever recall there been a knife fight or anyone stabbed. We would usually just kick each others arses then play football together afterwards. I think social media makes this a lot harder than any of us (well, maybe those without teenage kids) realise. I imagine there'll be majority "invisible" bullying these days and the mental impacts will be huge. And I don't know on the second bit - it will just depend. I know @AvfcRigo82 likes to think back of times when kids all had perfect manners and skipped through meadows for fun, but I remember having a knife pulled on me in Shirley Park (hardly the roughest area!) when I was a teenager. We also had incidents of knives and - for some reason, very memorably - snooker balls in socks being brought into school as weapons. I don't remember anyone being fatally stabbed (and I think the types of knife used now are much more potentially dangerous), but weapons have always been around and in the hands of dickheads. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post mjmooney Posted November 8, 2023 VT Supporter Popular Post Share Posted November 8, 2023 I'm seeing a lot of calls for severe sentences (up to and including the death penalty), which would supposedly act as a 'deterrent'. I don't believe the delinquent mind (for want of a better word) works in such a rational way. Even the most stable teenager's brain is not yet fully developed. Add to that the likelihood of a chaotic family background and bad peer group influences, probable exclusion from school, etc. They live in a fantasy world. They don't think through the consequences of their behaviour. They perceive themselves as outlaws and tough guys. They don't imagine they'll get caught - and if they do, they probably think that jail will be a badge of honour. There is no simple solution. 6 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Demitri_C Posted November 8, 2023 Share Posted November 8, 2023 2 minutes ago, bobzy said: I think social media makes this a lot harder than any of us (well, maybe those without teenage kids) realise. I imagine there'll be majority "invisible" bullying these days and the mental impacts will be huge. And I don't know on the second bit - it will just depend. I know @AvfcRigo82 likes to think back of times when kids all had perfect manners and skipped through meadows for fun, but I remember having a knife pulled on me in Shirley Park (hardly the roughest area!) when I was a teenager. We also had incidents of knives and - for some reason, very memorably - snooker balls in socks being brought into school as weapons. I don't remember anyone being fatally stabbed (and I think the types of knife used now are much more potentially dangerous), but weapons have always been around and in the hands of dickheads. Completey agree about the social media bullying but that in my experience tends to be trolling bullying not physical violence where you need to carry a knife. As you say that definitely has more of a mental effect. Unfortunately social media isnt going anywhere. If it was down to me id have it long gone but too much money in it. My school was rough but we had this thing in our school if you could fight you got the respect of your year. I certainlydon't t feel our time in school was as rough as schools are now in terms of violence. This might sound extreme but if it keeps kids safe maybe have metal detectors/scanning machines in schools. If keeps our kids safe in schools and out of schools might be something to consider Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rds1983 Posted November 8, 2023 VT Supporter Share Posted November 8, 2023 When I was a teenager (25 odd years ago) one of my classmates was being bullied and brought a knife in. Nothing happened thankfully but it has always been an issue. It's possibly worse now or social media and tinted glasses make it appear to be. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tinker Posted November 8, 2023 VT Supporter Share Posted November 8, 2023 The only way around it is to educate the kids at school, show them the impact knives can make on people's lives, sadly there's enough examples of deaths. Interview the families of the victims and the murderers and their families to show how everyone's lives are destroyed, not just the victim . Sit them through a few of these videos maybe even have a lesson a week to show them a thugs life is one that ends in tears every time. It may be cool to be a gangster at 14 years old but at 25 years old it's all a bit sad. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AvfcRigo82 Posted November 9, 2023 Share Posted November 9, 2023 14 hours ago, fruitvilla said: How about advocating for an effective punishment or perhaps a consequence? I dare say there are various avenues that could be explored. Unfortunately, Like @mjmooney says, there is no simple solution. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VILLAMARV Posted November 9, 2023 Share Posted November 9, 2023 It's that age old political soundbite slogan isn't it, "Tough on crime, but not giving a flying **** about actually ever really considering or addressing the causes of crime" 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VILLAMARV Posted November 9, 2023 Share Posted November 9, 2023 Another example of why I dislike the use of group identities, I think it's criminals we don't like in our society, not the kidz of today. Kids are great. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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