Dr_Pangloss Posted February 15, 2016 Share Posted February 15, 2016 (edited) 4 minutes ago, mwj said: Sounds great Arrigo Sacchi, show me a lineup (of players that were available yesterday) that does that. It's not necessarily a 'line up' it's simply tactics, getting more bodies forward, playing more directly with Gabby off the shoulder of the centre halves, showing more ambition, getting more midfielders in the box when we have the ball wide, rather than having so many sitting deep... But go ahead and peddle excuses for utterly appalling performances. Edited February 15, 2016 by Dr_Pangloss Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dont_do_it_doug. Posted February 15, 2016 Share Posted February 15, 2016 I like Remi Garde, I think he has tons of potential. But I'm leaning towards thinking he's not right for this situation regardless. Unless they are going to rip up the squad in the summer and sell the fecking lot and let him build his own team. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mwj Posted February 15, 2016 Share Posted February 15, 2016 It's not necessarily a 'line up' it's simply tactics, getting more bodies forward, playing more directly with Gabby off the shoulder of the centre halves, showing more ambition, getting more midfielders in the box when we have the ball wide, rather than having so many sitting deep... But go ahead and peddle excuses for utterly appalling performances. Sure, "it's just the vibe of the thing", he should have just told them to play better, right? This manager lark is simples Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AshVilla Posted February 15, 2016 Share Posted February 15, 2016 I'd like to see him given a fiver to spend in the transfer window Khazri who we were linked with seems a decent player shame we was not in a position to sign him 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr_Pangloss Posted February 15, 2016 Share Posted February 15, 2016 Just now, mwj said: Sure, "it's just the vibe of the thing", he should have just told them to play better, right? This manager lark is simples Total unmitigated nonsense. It's about coaching and tactics on the training pitch, it's clear that he instills a cautious, conservative, possession based style rather than direct football where players commit into the box when on the counter. The former clearly isn't delivering. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
briny_ear Posted February 15, 2016 Share Posted February 15, 2016 We need a manager who can get us back out of the Championship asap. That won't be Garde. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TRO Posted February 15, 2016 Share Posted February 15, 2016 8 hours ago, markavfc40 said: No one in their right would suggest that ability wise we are anywhere near as good as Liverpool. In fact ability wise we are worse than 80% of the sides in this league. We didn't lose yesterday though just due to a lack of ability we lost due to a lack of desire. We didn't want it, we didn't fancy it and it was like we were going through the motions and had accepted we would lose before the game kicked off. I still maintain that despite this being a poor squad it isn't any worse than Norwich, Bournemouth, Sunderland, West Brom etc. It isn't 16 points from 26 games bad. The reason we have been that poor isn't simply down to a lack of ability it is down to poor management in how we have been set up and approached games and down to an all too frequent lack of desire not from just one or two individuals but from pretty much the whole squad. It seems to me we have a squad of players that are either seeing us as an easy pay day or came in with the attitude of seeing us a stepping stone to better things. A number of them can’t wait to be out of here over the summer or know that the club will want rid of them. We will be battered a few more times before this season is over as the players will now just go through the motions as they did yesterday. I think your third paragraph is the most apt. desire for me is the main ingredient missing, but should seasoned professionals rely on a manager for that? We was not as good as Liverpool when we done them at Wembley.....and we wasn't as good as Liverpool going in to the famous victory of 5-1 December 1978 (I think) you are right Mark this team lack desire and fight. Ps I have been extremely close to players of the past and I can tell you, they did not rely on the manager for their desire. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mwj Posted February 15, 2016 Share Posted February 15, 2016 Total unmitigated nonsense. It's about coaching and tactics on the training pitch, it's clear that he instills a cautious, conservative, possession based style rather than direct football where players commit into the box when on the counter. The former clearly isn't delivering. Right, so show me a line up and formation that you would coach to be "more attacking" and that would perform a great escape, and that you would stake your professional reputation on as a manager? It's easy to sit here on a forum and spout shit like "be more attacking" but what exactly does that mean? For mine, Remi has got it nearly right recently. I would keep the same conservative approach and formation (4-4-1-1), but Westwood would have been gone a long time ago, Richards gone for Bacuna at RB, Veretout for Gil at AM and Lyden getting a run in CM. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tonyh29 Posted February 15, 2016 Share Posted February 15, 2016 27 minutes ago, dont_do_it_doug. said: I like Remi Garde, I think he has tons of potential. But I'm leaning towards thinking he's not right for this situation regardless. Unless they are going to rip up the squad in the summer and sell the fecking lot and let him build his own team. The problem with that ( though not unique to Remi) is that I'd imagine he will fill it mainly with French players ... If after all that overhaul Remi is still under performing and gets the sack the next manager comes in and may want a more different approach , more English or Spanish for arguments sake and we are left with a squad tailored for a manger that has departed so it's kinda dangerous in that regard to let Remi or any manager get complete autonomy on a squad ... And not just at villa but that's the one that matters as far as we are concerned Saints have their system for example where players fit the club rather than the manager so maybe that's the model to copy ... I don't think that's what we tried this summer , I think we just went off with some hair brained plan without thinking it through 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1974Centenary Posted February 15, 2016 Share Posted February 15, 2016 Mentally speaking i think the manager and players are shot! If they are around next season and lose the first game,i think it will be weeks, if at all,before they can find a winning mentality,basically right now the lot of them are losers! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blasterpocket68 Posted February 15, 2016 Share Posted February 15, 2016 1 hour ago, HanoiVillan said: flack x20. Whether Garde is good enough is open to debate. But this stuff about Sherwood being a better pick is nonsense. Have people forgotten where we were in the table? 'He'd inspire the players!' Yeah, just like he did in the fricking FA Cup Final. Where are we now in the table? who got us to the final? have you forgot the semi final? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dont_do_it_doug. Posted February 15, 2016 Share Posted February 15, 2016 The problem with that ( though not unique to Remi) is that I'd imagine he will fill it mainly with French players ... If after all that overhaul Remi is still under performing and gets the sack the next manager comes in and may want a more different approach , more English or Spanish for arguments sake and we are left with a squad tailored for a manger that has departed so it's kinda dangerous in that regard to let Remi or any manager get complete autonomy on a squad ... And not just at villa but that's the one that matters as far as we are concerned Saints have their system for example where players fit the club rather than the manager so maybe that's the model to copy ... I don't think that's what we tried this summer , I think we just went off with some hair brained plan without thinking it through You imagine that, doesn't make it right. His knowledge of the French league is likely strong, but he hasn't signed a single player yet so it's all supposition. In fact, Debuchy aside (a short term loan) the other two players we know for a FACT he wanted in January are both African. One of them moved from Roma. Just like Ayew and Gana are African. Maybe we should be worried we'd sign all African players. Though that sounds a bit racist as opposed to just xenophobic. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1974Centenary Posted February 15, 2016 Share Posted February 15, 2016 1 hour ago, theboyangel said: but at least we scored Garde is a manager, Sherwood was a wannabe manager Sherwood had his hands tied behind his back just as Remi garde has his now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HanoiVillan Posted February 15, 2016 Share Posted February 15, 2016 26 minutes ago, Blasterpocket68 said: Where are we now in the table? who got us to the final? have you forgot the semi final? Nobody remembers the semi-finals. We're not going to go down in posterity just because we played well in the semi-final. As for 'where are we now in the table', we're 20th and adrift, exactly where Sherwood left us. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brumstopdogs Posted February 15, 2016 Share Posted February 15, 2016 Not convinced that Garde is the man to bring us back up next season although personally think we should give him until the end of this season and then assess how he has done. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
flashingqwerty Posted February 15, 2016 VT Supporter Share Posted February 15, 2016 Total unmitigated nonsense. It's about coaching and tactics on the training pitch, it's clear that he instills a cautious, conservative, possession based style rather than direct football where players commit into the box when on the counter. The former clearly isn't delivering. We simply dont have the players with the pace, engine or technical ability to play that style of football. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave J Posted February 15, 2016 Share Posted February 15, 2016 1 hour ago, dont_do_it_doug. said: I like Remi Garde, I think he has tons of potential. But I'm leaning towards thinking he's not right for this situation regardless. Unless they are going to rip up the squad in the summer and sell the fecking lot and let him build his own team. Me too and I'd really love to see him do well, the guy comes over as having a lot of class, reminds me of Brian Little in this respect, however the championship being what it is, makes me wonder if someone who has seen and done it before should be tasked with getting us straight back up, make no mistake mind this will not be a given in my view. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blasterpocket68 Posted February 15, 2016 Share Posted February 15, 2016 45 minutes ago, HanoiVillan said: Nobody remembers the semi-finals. We're not going to go down in posterity just because we played well in the semi-final. As for 'where are we now in the table', we're 20th and adrift, exactly where Sherwood left us. We'll i F@@@@king remember Because it was a great weekend in the smoke , the odds against us - he got us out of trouble last year like it or not. The team played for him! We are no better with Garde than we would have been under Sherwood . 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mykeyb Posted February 15, 2016 Share Posted February 15, 2016 From his last couple of press conferences a lot of fans have deduced he is going to walk at the end of the season............what conclusion do you think the players have come to? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post andym Posted February 15, 2016 Popular Post Share Posted February 15, 2016 I'm not sure if Garde is the right man to bring us back up, but i think anyone would have struggled given the situation he came into. It's quite easy to say 'he should be motivating them better, he should be more attacking etc', but in practice its not that simple. The one thing Tim Sherwood was any good at was getting players to have a go and attack, yet this season he could only motivate this team towards 1 win. We only scored 9 goals in 10 games under him, conceding 17 with just one clean sheet, and when he left we had just lost 6 on the spin with no sign of it turning around, the team was on its knees. That is the situation Garde walked into (knowingly i will admit), along with i think some pretty big issues/divisions in the dressing room. Oh, and Man City, Everton, Southampton and Arsenal in 4 of his first 5 games. Its not really a surprise he took a conservative approach. We were regularly cut open with ease, conceding soft goals and not scoring enough to make up for it. Hes basically tried to do a Pulis/Allardyce - if you havent got the players to score goals, at least try to reduce the amount of goals you let in to give yourself a better chance of points. Yes there have been a few shockers, but i think overall we have been more organised, more solid, we have worked harder, looked fitter. I think the team selections and setups have generally been the best he could have done given the players available. Even games like Sunderland and Norwich, i thought we actually started well in both games, looked the better team. But then we had horrendous individual errors at the back from so called experienced players and we never recovered. Confidence and mentality is a huge issue imo, and a big reason behind the lack of attacking threat (well that and having hardly any decent attackers). The few times we have got something going in games, and the crowd respond, we look better, we naturally start committing forward more, getting the ball in the box (think Leicester, Palace etc). The Norwich game the other week was a perfect microcosm of this - we were really jittery for the 1st half, but once we got the second you could see the confidence, we started attacking, there was a great chance for Bacuna that was really really nice attacking play. Then we hit the last 10 mins, and things got nervy again, we retreated into our shell. Again its easy to say that Garde should just motivate, provide that confidence, but ultimately its up to the player, and if they haven't got the right frame of mind then nothing the manager says is going to help. I suspect if you take all of the supposed great man managers and motivators and look at their teams, they are going to have players in there who have that mentality, who can be leaders on the pitch and carry out the managers instructions, dragging their teammates along with them. We have none, and haven't for a while. Our team captain thinks everybody else but him is the problem, and the club captain just cant be bothered anymore. Then add in our most experienced player thinks tweeting a picture of his expensive car after being thrashed 6-0 is a good thing to do, and its no wonder we are in such a mess on the pitch. 8 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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