Butterfingers Posted December 20, 2015 Share Posted December 20, 2015 3 points isn't brilliant. In his defence, he has inherited a shambles. A team whose backbone all left in the summer and are now (or were at the time of Gardes arrival) devoid of any form of confidence or self-belief. We need 10 wins to survive which is basically top 6 form. A big ask but as others have said, we have two months or so of winnable games. 5 or 6 wins in that period could lift morale and give us the springboard for the scrap at the end of the season. I personally think we've left it too late but am prepared to give Garde the benefit of the doubt until the end of the season. I don't think any manager in the world would have waltzed in and done any better, given the state of things. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sexbelowsound Posted December 20, 2015 Share Posted December 20, 2015 14 minutes ago, DCJonah said: What improvements did Houllier make from the season before? I love the idea that if you don't see improvements there's something wrong with you. Such arrogance. Why is it arrogant? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DCJonah Posted December 20, 2015 Share Posted December 20, 2015 Just now, sexbelowsound said: Why is it arrogant? The idea that you (not you) can see something that others aren't capable of is a real arrogance. And then for the person who has blindly criticised Richards before he played a game, to have the nerve to criticise others for choosing not to see positives then takes it to another level. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sexbelowsound Posted December 20, 2015 Share Posted December 20, 2015 Just now, DCJonah said: The idea that you (not you) can see something that others aren't capable of is a real arrogance. And then for the person who has blindly criticised Richards before he played a game, to have the nerve to criticise others for choosing not to see positives then takes it to another level. Ignoring who the OP was I do think its possible for people to see things that others can't. Not necessarily in regards to this situation, but if every person saw the same as everyone else we'd all be identical. I can see why it comes across as arrogance but I just think its reality. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PaulC Posted December 20, 2015 Share Posted December 20, 2015 10 hours ago, StefanAVFC said: Yeah, bring back Tim. Taken Garde half the games to get the same amount of points as Tim, and he's in a harder position. But let's bring him back. Get it up those slaaaaags. The new manager bounce! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DCJonah Posted December 20, 2015 Share Posted December 20, 2015 9 minutes ago, sexbelowsound said: Ignoring who the OP was I do think its possible for people to see things that others can't. Not necessarily in regards to this situation, but if every person saw the same as everyone else we'd all be identical. I can see why it comes across as arrogance but I just think its reality. I can see how people see things differently. But for that person to say that you either can't or choose not to is amazing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zatman Posted December 20, 2015 Share Posted December 20, 2015 The thing is I still dont see the improvements or progress we conceded yet another basic goal, the attacking subs again were non existent against a team who are ropey defensively and against pace 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NoelVilla Posted December 20, 2015 Share Posted December 20, 2015 37 minutes ago, PaulC said: The new manager bounce! Is a proven myth. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Butterfingers Posted December 20, 2015 Share Posted December 20, 2015 23 minutes ago, Zatman said: The thing is I still dont see the improvements or progress we conceded yet another basic goal, the attacking subs again were non existent against a team who are ropey defensively and against pace Man to man marking at corners is pretty straight forward. You cannot blame the manager if a defender fails to keep track of the player that he's supposed to be marking, or that our goalkeeper is not very good. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post dont_do_it_doug. Posted December 20, 2015 Popular Post Share Posted December 20, 2015 Much better yesterday. We were in the game from start to finish. The game itself could have swung either way, nice to see us competitive for a change. Keep it up. 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KHV Posted December 20, 2015 Share Posted December 20, 2015 I'm must admit I'm not entirely convinced by this bloke. I think he missed a massive opportunity yesterday, Seems to be afraid of losing, we really start needing to go for broke especially against the lesser teams 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
foreveryoung Posted December 20, 2015 Share Posted December 20, 2015 12 minutes ago, dont_do_it_doug. said: Much better yesterday. We were in the game from start to finish. The game itself could have swung either way, nice to see us competitive for a change. Keep it up. Agreed. Though others may say Newcastle were shite Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Butterfingers Posted December 20, 2015 Share Posted December 20, 2015 I thought we did go for it yesterday. As an away side, we probably needed a 4 man midfield-To have bought Traore would have meant sacrificing Westwood or Gueye. A lot of these teams above us do not play attacking football-They simply clog up the defence & rely on a counter attack. I know there is a craving for Traore to get more game time & I am in this corner. We are still finding our best 11 and at 1-1, I think it was right not to bring him on. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Xela Posted December 20, 2015 Share Posted December 20, 2015 3 hours ago, Neil said: The stem of shit has to be stopped somewhere, and if that starts with a draw at Newcastle then so be it. Better than a loss. An inspired better 2nd half performance, if he can turn that into 90 mins then half the battle be won. Away points at Soton and Newcastle are decent results on their own but mixed in with our spineless home form, ultimately its not good enough If we had beaten Watford at home then I'd be more confident we could still salvage something. Next 2 games are huge. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
R.Bear Posted December 20, 2015 Share Posted December 20, 2015 Utterly unimpressed with Garde so far. If you didnt know that Sherwood was sacked then I doubt you would even notice the change. I also agree with the people who said they wouldnt trust him to get this team promoted. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Neil Posted December 20, 2015 Share Posted December 20, 2015 9 minutes ago, Xela said: Away points at Soton and Newcastle are decent results on their own but mixed in with our spineless home form, ultimately its not good enough If we had beaten Watford at home then I'd be more confident we could still salvage something. Next 2 games are huge. Not convinced we have the minerals by a long shot, think "this is our year" for all the wrong reasons. I'm merely pointing out that if we're to turn it around, it will start at some point and a draw at Newcastle could be the beginning. We just need to see more from the 2nd half in 90mins of upcoming games. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
samjp26 Posted December 20, 2015 Share Posted December 20, 2015 I think we really went for the win in the second half, and when injury time hit we decided to shut up shop rather than lose via a stupid counter-attack. I have no problem with that. Yes I would've loved us to have thrown Adama on and yes I would've loved us to have won the game, however I don't think those two things would've worked together. The conditions wouldn't have let Adama run wild, in fact he might've even got himself an injury trying to sprint through that awful pitch. A point away to Newcastle, who have been unlucky themselves this season, is fine by me. We need wins but we won't win every match and in turn I'd rather we not lose the ones we don't win. Don't think Garde did anything wrong yesterday, in fact bringing on Gestede changed the game completely. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Demitri_C Posted December 20, 2015 Share Posted December 20, 2015 I think Garde let the fans down yesterday you could see for example Veretout was struggling and instead of mixing it up and bringing on a flair player and go for the win we sat back knowing the results yesterday. That suggests to me he think swe are down but just trying to get the losing menatlity out of the loser type players in the squad. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zatman Posted December 20, 2015 Share Posted December 20, 2015 2 hours ago, PaulC said: The new manager bounce! last manager to have a decent spell on takeover was McLeish, think we went about 7 games unbeaten at the start Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DCJonah Posted December 20, 2015 Share Posted December 20, 2015 A concern for me is that for the 3 points we've got we've relied on the opposition missing some absolute sitters. De bruyne, de Jong and the 3/4 Southampton chances are truly terrible misses that don't usually happen. I think we've been quite fortunate to get 3 points out of 6 games. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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