Genie Posted June 6, 2022 Share Posted June 6, 2022 Just watching US news, 10 mass shootings THIS WEEKEND. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
villa4europe Posted June 6, 2022 Share Posted June 6, 2022 2 minutes ago, Genie said: Just watching US news, 10 mass shootings THIS WEEKEND. Read it on CNN, takes them up to 246 for the year We're on the 157th day of 2022 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Vancvillan Posted June 6, 2022 Popular Post Share Posted June 6, 2022 6 hours ago, El Zen said: This is probably true, world wide. Anecdotally, my step dad owns a firearm for small game hunting. It is stored safely in a, well, safe and I’ve never actually seen it. He would certainly agree US gun laws are mental. I have no particular issue with that type of gun ownership. Sadly, I’m not sure the majority of US gun owners go in the same category. A lot of them seem to be not merely gun owners, but gun enthusiasts and gun fetishists. I'd say this is the norm outside of the US. My firearms are kept in a safe, deactivated (missing parts) and trigger locked. The parts are stored elsewhere in a locked container. Ammunition and magazines also stored separately in another place, again both locked. You'd need a minimum of two keys (hidden in separate places) and two lock combinations before you could even start to reassemble them - and that's if you could find everything. And it's not like I'm some OCD safety guy.- every one of my hunting buddies does the same. A combination of laws and hunter safety protocols means that no firearm is ever loaded until you're actively hunting (e.g. a long way outside of city limits) and you wouldn't chamber a round unless you either told your buddies or you were obviously in a situation to do so (sat in a blind, etc). At that point you should know where every human in the group is, and you should have a clear sight of your backstop. The terminal resting place of anything that comes out of that firearm is your responsibility alone, and you would never (for example) shoot at a deer uphill in case you miss. Irrespective or whether a firearm is loaded or even assembled, pointing it anywhere near another human, house, or animal (that you weren't hunting) would be a massive deal. Stern words would be a minimum, more likely you'd never come hunting with me again too and your name would get around. Again, this is the norm where I am and that's true of hunters I have spoken to in the US. Guns aren't "cool". They're a tool that we keep on the down low in terms of ownership - I don't want someone targeting me for a robbery and stealing any part of them for both legal and ethical reasons. They're obviously useless for self defence, and frankly with kids running around my house there'd be no safe way to use them in that capacity anyway, even if I were trained to do so (which I am most definitely not, and I've spent a fair bit of time at the range over the years). It's incredibly frustrating as a firearms owner to watch the US make such a spectacular mess of this since all owners get tarred with the same brush. Seeing these utter morons posing with them (and with their families) makes me visibly angry. It's the absolute inversion of the culture within the firearms ownership community that I know, and frankly I wouldn't trust them with a rusty pocket knife. They are despicable humans and nothing will change my mind on that. 10 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
il_serpente Posted June 6, 2022 VT Supporter Share Posted June 6, 2022 10 hours ago, mjmooney said: Just one random example of thousands of similar pics on the internet. Why doesn't it make them shudder like it does me? OK, that's it. If you're going to insist on sharing with everyone I'm striking you from my Christmas card list. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Genie Posted June 7, 2022 Share Posted June 7, 2022 The chance of an “active shooter” is a realistic part of everyday life in the US. Absolutely crazy. I don’t think anything will change until an immediate relative of the president or very, very senior politician is gunned down going about an everyday task (and even then it’s not a given). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chrisp65 Posted June 7, 2022 Share Posted June 7, 2022 8 minutes ago, Genie said: The chance of an “active shooter” is a realistic part of everyday life in the US. Absolutely crazy. I don’t think anything will change until an immediate relative of the president or very, very senior politician is gunned down going about an everyday task (and even then it’s not a given). Kennedy and Reagan say hi! I know they are slightly different circumstances, but they’ll be cited by one side or the other and possibly cited as the case for not changing anything. If we didn’t change the law after Kennedy, why the hell would we change it after the assassination of President Eric Trump? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
villa4europe Posted June 7, 2022 Share Posted June 7, 2022 I find it sad that it's so common they have the terminology "active shooter" And if that raised the question "well what would you call them?" that's kind of the whole point... We don't have common known terminology for them because we don't have them, I'm not sure we'd know what to call them in the event 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Genie Posted June 7, 2022 Share Posted June 7, 2022 6 minutes ago, villa4europe said: I find it sad that it's so common they have the terminology "active shooter" And if that raised the question "well what would you call them?" that's kind of the whole point... We don't have common known terminology for them because we don't have them, I'm not sure we'd know what to call them in the event and schools and businesses have protocols and procedures to follow in the event of an active shooter. Here in the UK the closest thing is probably the bi-annual checking of the fire alarms. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Genie Posted June 7, 2022 Share Posted June 7, 2022 18 minutes ago, chrisp65 said: Kennedy and Reagan say hi! I know they are slightly different circumstances, but they’ll be cited by one side or the other and possibly cited as the case for not changing anything. If we didn’t change the law after Kennedy, why the hell would we change it after the assassination of President Eric Trump? Yes I agree, but I was more thinking along the lines of someone not necessarily a high profile figure like the Eric Trump or the presidents themselves. To a degree they will be targets. I was thinking more along the lines of someone very powerful’s relative getting shot in a random act like at school or the shops… but even then possibly not. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
villa4europe Posted June 7, 2022 Share Posted June 7, 2022 Are you suggesting a leading cultural or political figure being gunned down would require more than thoughts and prayers? If they don't care or do anything when kids are shot then I'm not sure they ever will Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Genie Posted June 7, 2022 Share Posted June 7, 2022 4 minutes ago, villa4europe said: Are you suggesting a leading cultural or political figure being gunned down would require more than thoughts and prayers? If they don't care or do anything when kids are shot then I'm not sure they ever will I think one of their own kids getting shot might be food for thought, possibly. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StefanAVFC Posted June 7, 2022 Share Posted June 7, 2022 They're just mentally ****. There's no coming back Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
villa4europe Posted June 7, 2022 Share Posted June 7, 2022 (edited) To be fair in that controlled environment I'd love to give that a go and they can introduce gun controls without ever stopping yanks from being able to do that One of them at home though? There's absolutely no justification for someone owning one of them Edited June 7, 2022 by villa4europe 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bobzy Posted June 7, 2022 Share Posted June 7, 2022 2 hours ago, Genie said: and schools and businesses have protocols and procedures to follow in the event of an active shooter. Here in the UK the closest thing is probably the bi-annual checking of the fire alarms. H&S officers trying to get everyone outside in an orderly manner. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lapal_fan Posted June 7, 2022 Share Posted June 7, 2022 It would be interesting to see where these shootings are happening geographically. I'd imagine most would be in the South East, with a couple in Vegas and a bunch in Chicago. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr_Dogg Posted June 7, 2022 Share Posted June 7, 2022 12 minutes ago, lapal_fan said: It would be interesting to see where these shootings are happening geographically. I'd imagine most would be in the South East, with a couple in Vegas and a bunch in Chicago. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_mass_shootings_in_the_United_States_in_2022 Quote This is a list of shootings in the United States that have occurred in 2022. Mass shootings are incidents involving several victims of firearm-related violence. The precise inclusion criteria are disputed, and there is no broadly accepted definition They're all over the place Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Straggler Posted June 7, 2022 Share Posted June 7, 2022 8 hours ago, chrisp65 said: Kennedy and Reagan say hi! I know they are slightly different circumstances, but they’ll be cited by one side or the other and possibly cited as the case for not changing anything. If we didn’t change the law after Kennedy, why the hell would we change it after the assassination of President Eric Trump? If president Eric Trump was assassinated it would probably be the first time in 200 years that a gun was used for its constitutionally intended purpose. 1 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
villa4europe Posted June 9, 2022 Share Posted June 9, 2022 First if heard of it that he was from the town Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rodders Posted June 9, 2022 Share Posted June 9, 2022 yeah read a rumour somewhere he was the anonymous funder who paid for all the funeral costs etc of the victims families. Seems quite believable really. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chindie Posted June 9, 2022 VT Supporter Share Posted June 9, 2022 McConaughey does seem to be a genuinely good bloke. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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