The banker loving, baby-eating Tory party thread (regenerated)

[OutByEaster?]

This government is essentially a criminal network, they'd engineered a disaster in Brexit that they could loot and then got lucky with a second one in the form of the pandemic. It's a great time to be a Tory.

 

[HanoiVillan]

I know these stories have gotten blunted by repetition at this point, and there's an obvious temptation to say 'it's only the Council of Europe', but the Tories' willingness to form alliances with the likes of Vox and AfD really is morally shameful:

 

[bickster]

More lobbying stupidity....

 

[Seat68]

 

[bickster]

11 minutes ago, Seat68 said:

 

I laughed because it's got to that point now, no point in being angry.

[Seat68]

3 minutes ago, bickster said:

I laughed because it's got to that point now, no point in being angry.

Did the same. Whats the point in outrage. Its so blatant, they thought **** it. We are tories we do what we want. 

[bickster]

Just now, Seat68 said:

Did the same. Whats the point in outrage. Its so blatant, they thought **** it. We are tories we do what we want. 

Correction to Tweet by the way, it was 20% not 15% because there's only 100 shares, they counted transfers as holdings initially

[Chindie]

2 hours ago, HanoiVillan said:

I know these stories have gotten blunted by repetition at this point, and there's an obvious temptation to say 'it's only the Council of Europe', but the Tories' willingness to form alliances with the likes of Vox and AfD really is morally shameful:

 

The right hates socialists more than it hates fascists. This can be extended, depending on your preference, to the centre as well.

[Genie]

 

[Genie]

 

 

BBC running the story now

Quote

A company in which Health Secretary Matt Hancock and his sister have shares has won contracts from NHS Wales, it has emerged.

NHS Wales gave the company, which specialises in the secure storage, shredding and scanning of documents, £300,000 of business this year.

Labour said it amounted to "cronyism at the heart of this government".

A government spokesman said that Mr Hancock had acted "entirely properly" and there was no conflict of interest.

In March this year, Mr Hancock declared in the MPs' register of interests that he had acquired more than 15% of the shares of a company called Topwood Ltd.

Hancock 'had drink' with Cameron and Greensill

Covid spending: MPs' contacts were given priority

Hancock acted unlawfully over Covid contracts

But the register did not mention that his sister Emily Gilruth owned a larger portion of the shares and is a director of the firm, or that Topwood has links to the NHS - as first reported by the Guido Fawkes blog and Health Service Journal.

Public contract records show that the NHS awarded Topwood a place in its Shared Business Services framework as a potential supplier for local NHS trusts in 2019, the year after Mr Hancock became health secretary.

I'd assume the rules are that you must declare any potential conflicts of interest BEFORE you start sending money across.

[markavfc40]

 

 

[bickster]

1 minute ago, markavfc40 said:

 

 

Imagine being the Health Secretary's Wife and not getting invited to the party

[jones1328]

Jusy had a quick look on the BBC News website (albeit on my phone) and it looks like the story has gone from being the main headline to all but gone.

[markavfc40]

11 minutes ago, jones1328 said:

Jusy had a quick look on the BBC News website (albeit on my phone) and it looks like the story has gone from being the main headline to all but gone.

Someone must have had words or having reported it briefly they can at least now hide behind the perception they are being fair, balanced and impartial. 

[Xela]

How do I become a tory MP?

I want to get my snout in the trough, like everyone else. 

[Seat68]

For me with how my app is its the 4th story down. 

[Genie]

1 hour ago, bickster said:

Imagine being the Health Secretary's Wife and not getting invited to the party

Probably worried it would look a bit dodgy

[Rds1983]

22 hours ago, Genie said:

 

 

BBC running the story now

I'd assume the rules are that you must declare any potential conflicts of interest BEFORE you start sending money across.

From what I've seen dealing with CoI in the private sector they should be declared even before negotiations or tendors start and only be allowed to proceed if appropriate controls are in place. 

Playing devil's advocate, it's potentially okay for this conflict to exist (some of the stuff I've seen might surprise people at first glance) and the contract to go to this firm, but only if the conflict was fully declared up front and appropriate controls put in place (such as someone other than Hancock deciding who wins the tendor, ensuring Hancock doesn't forward any info that would give them a competitive advantage and independent review to confirm everything is above board). This company could genuinely have been the best one for the contract, with the best service and pricing and to exclude them altogether would have been a mistake. 

However, I doubt this is the case and to be clear, I'm not trying to defend Hancock, don't like him or BoJo or the rest of them in power right now. 

Edited April 17, 2021 by Rds1983

[cheltenham_villa]

10 hours ago, Rds1983 said:

From what I've seen dealing with CoI in the private sector they should be declared even before negotiations or tendors start and only be allowed to proceed if appropriate controls are in place. 

Playing devil's advocate, it's potentially okay for this conflict to exist (some of the stuff I've seen might surprise people at first glance) and the contract to go to this firm, but only if the conflict was fully declared up front and appropriate controls put in place (such as someone other than Hancock deciding who wins the tendor, ensuring Hancock doesn't forward any info that would give them a competitive advantage and independent review to confirm everything is above board). This company could genuinely have been the best one for the contract, with the best service and pricing and to exclude them altogether would have been a mistake. 

However, I doubt this is the case and to be clear, I'm not trying to defend Hancock, don't like him or BoJo or the rest of them in power right now. 

Absolutely scandalous posting a perfectly rational explanation to a non story. 

[blandy]

50 minutes ago, cheltenham_villa said:

Absolutely scandalous posting a perfectly rational explanation to a non story. 

It's another one where the actual offence and the fuss are about 2 different things. He broke the rules - he should have declared his interest at the time he was given it. But he didn't.

Then the Welsh Labour Gov't awarded his (family's) company a contract. That bit is not a story, but it's made out like it is.

But a company in which he had an undeclared interest was in the running for English contracts, and that's yet another Tory sleaze story.

But it's made out like he  used his influence/power to award his own family's company some contracts. Which he didn't.

The trouble is the tories are at it. Whether it's Johnson and his tart getting 120 odd grand worth of travel, Hancock and his mate from the pub getting PPE contracts without competitive tender, the Housing minister saving Done Richard Desmond 60 million, unlawfully, Patel, Liam Fox, loads of 'em. They are rotten.