snowychap Posted April 20, 2021 Share Posted April 20, 2021 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Genie Posted April 20, 2021 Share Posted April 20, 2021 Tories still splashing the cash Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bickster Posted April 20, 2021 Moderator Share Posted April 20, 2021 23 minutes ago, Genie said: Tories still splashing the cash It's not the Tories, it's a polling company Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Genie Posted April 20, 2021 Share Posted April 20, 2021 1 minute ago, bickster said: It's not the Tories, it's a polling company My mistake, I assumed yougov were funded directly by the Tories to gauge the public mood. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bickster Posted April 20, 2021 Moderator Share Posted April 20, 2021 9 minutes ago, Genie said: My mistake, I assumed yougov were funded directly by the Tories to gauge the public mood. It was set up by two Tories but it is just a polling company 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bannedfromHandV Posted April 20, 2021 Share Posted April 20, 2021 2 hours ago, bickster said: It was set up by two Tories but it is just a polling company I remember when that first came out, a bunch of us thought it would be easy money until you realised that you’d get about 15p for a 30 minute survey 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Xela Posted April 20, 2021 Share Posted April 20, 2021 On 22/03/2021 at 22:40, markavfc40 said: The Tories voted to remove the amendment. The Fire Safety Bill went back to the Lords today and they voted to include the amendments to protect leaseholders. It now goes back to the Commons Legislative ping-pong 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bickster Posted April 20, 2021 Moderator Share Posted April 20, 2021 So after wasting millions of the new Press Briefing Room, the govt has decided it will not be going ahead with the Whitehouse style Press Briefings and Allegra Statton will instead become the Spokesperson for the COP26 Climate Conference in November. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bannedfromHandV Posted April 21, 2021 Share Posted April 21, 2021 4 hours ago, bickster said: So after wasting millions of the new Press Briefing Room, the govt has decided it will not be going ahead with the Whitehouse style Press Briefings and Allegra Statton will instead become the Spokesperson for the COP26 Climate Conference in November. It’s almost as if they’re making it up as they go along or something........ I wonder which Tory donor got the contract to do the work? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Panto_Villan Posted April 21, 2021 Share Posted April 21, 2021 4 hours ago, Seat68 said: I think this is a weird fight for labour or anyone that dislikes the Tories to pick, tbh. My understanding of the situation was that Dyson wanted to send engineers to the UK to help with getting us ventilators on a non-profit basis, but didn't want his staff to be penalised for giving assistance. I think these sorts of assurances are very much warranted in that situation (if that was the situation). I think people being overly critical of that run the risk of looking like their criticism (and all past and future criticism) isn't good faith criticism, but simply tribalism. Or is there another version of events I'm missing? 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Seat68 Posted April 21, 2021 Share Posted April 21, 2021 Just now, Panto_Villan said: I think this is a weird fight for labour or anyone that dislikes the Tories to pick, tbh. My understanding of the situation was that Dyson wanted to send engineers to the UK to help with getting us ventilators on a non-profit basis, but didn't want his staff to be penalised for giving assistance. I think these sorts of assurances are very much warranted in that situation (if that was the situation). I think people being overly critical of that run the risk of looking like their criticism (and all past and future criticism) isn't good faith criticism, but simply tribalism. Or is there another version of events I'm missing? Well sadly Dyson didn’t produce a single ventilator. That said, the luxury of sorting out such trivialities as tax is only afforded to those with the Prime Ministers telephone number. Also, this is one case of assisting a contact that we have heard of. What haven’t we heard about? Let alone the past few weeks telling us of the corruption and cronyism of our elected leaders. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Panto_Villan Posted April 21, 2021 Share Posted April 21, 2021 16 minutes ago, Seat68 said: Well sadly Dyson didn’t produce a single ventilator. That said, the luxury of sorting out such trivialities as tax is only afforded to those with the Prime Ministers telephone number. Also, this is one case of assisting a contact that we have heard of. What haven’t we heard about? Let alone the past few weeks telling us of the corruption and cronyism of our elected leaders. True, I guess. My point is more: why give him the get out of jail free card by criticising the one time this sort of free pass was probably warranted? It's not like there isn't plenty else to talk about, as you've mentioned yourself 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rjw63 Posted April 21, 2021 Share Posted April 21, 2021 On 20/04/2021 at 10:29, bickster said: It was set up by two Tories but it is just a polling company And very nice when those £50 bank transfers arrive for doing online surveys. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jimmygreaves Posted April 21, 2021 Share Posted April 21, 2021 35 minutes ago, Panto_Villan said: I think this is a weird fight for labour or anyone that dislikes the Tories to pick, tbh. My understanding of the situation was that Dyson wanted to send engineers to the UK to help with getting us ventilators on a non-profit basis, but didn't want his staff to be penalised for giving assistance. I think these sorts of assurances are very much warranted in that situation (if that was the situation). I think people being overly critical of that run the risk of looking like their criticism (and all past and future criticism) isn't good faith criticism, but simply tribalism. Or is there another version of events I'm missing? Why was Dyson even being considered to supply ventilators when established medical equipment suppliers in the UK were ignored..... during a national emergency!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post blandy Posted April 21, 2021 Author Moderator Popular Post Share Posted April 21, 2021 30 minutes ago, jimmygreaves said: Why was Dyson even being considered to supply ventilators when established medical equipment suppliers in the UK were ignored..... during a national emergency!!! There's an overlap of technology between the two. Our place (also not a ventilator manufacturer, but a big manufacturing co.) grouped up with others to invent and produce ventilators, when the country was massively short of them As Dyson did. What James Dyson did as a boss in seeking to make sure any of his staff who travelled to the UK to help with the effort wasn't penalised was being a good boss. Johnson was right to sort that out rapidly, too. But the notion that rich mates can send a text and get things done, but other people obviously can't is not how things should be. If it was just this one instance, I don't think Labour has a leg to stand on, but it's not. There's Cameron lobbying everyone with texts to help, there's the planning Minister unlawfully helping out Millionaire Richard Desmond save himself 60 odd million in Tax...and so on. There's Hancock giving his mate the local Pub landlord a medical deal to produce tens of thousands of Vialls. It's widespread and the overall picture is basically inexcusable, Pandemic or no pandemic. 6 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Panto_Villan Posted April 21, 2021 Share Posted April 21, 2021 7 minutes ago, blandy said: There's an overlap of technology between the two. Our place (also not a ventilator manufacturer, but a big manufacturing co.) grouped up with others to invent and produce ventilators, when the country was massively short of them As Dyson did. What James Dyson did as a boss in seeking to make sure any of his staff who travelled to the UK to help with the effort wasn't penalised was being a good boss. Johnson was right to sort that out rapidly, too. But the notion that rich mates can send a text and get things done, but other people obviously can't is not how things should be. If it was just this one instance, I don't think Labour has a leg to stand on, but it's not. There's Cameron lobbying everyone with texts to help, there's the planning Minister unlawfully helping out Millionaire Richard Desmond save himself 60 odd million in Tax...and so on. There's Hancock giving his mate the local Pub landlord a medical deal to produce tens of thousands of Vialls. It's widespread and the overall picture is basically inexcusable, Pandemic or no pandemic. Yup, in total agreement with all of that. I just think this is the worst possible example to pick up on, because it makes it easier to dismiss the valid criticism of those other examples you cited. Seems a needless own goal imo. (But I can appreciate that it represents part of a wider pattern of behaviour too, so I can see why there's some logic behind highlighting it.) 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sidcow Posted April 21, 2021 VT Supporter Share Posted April 21, 2021 (edited) Can you imagine the story if Dyson had come up with a ventilator then all the boffins got hit with huge tax bills? There would be an outcry and the front pages of the press would be full of demands for the tax to be handed back to the hero's. None story here for me.. It was an emergency situation and we were trying to get ventilators from everywhere. Didn't some F1 team make some? I think all sorts of tech firms were trying to come up with prototypes as a drop everything and get on with it basis. I'm no fan of Dyson at all but I'm sure he took his designers of various projects to develop new unnecessarily expensive products to overcharge suckers for to enhance his own offshore bank balance. But it would be wrong to heavily tax some scientist who came over here to work on this project. Edited April 21, 2021 by sidcow Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bannedfromHandV Posted April 21, 2021 Share Posted April 21, 2021 25 minutes ago, Panto_Villan said: Yup, in total agreement with all of that. I just think this is the worst possible example to pick up on, because it makes it easier to dismiss the valid criticism of those other examples you cited. Seems a needless own goal imo. (But I can appreciate that it represents part of a wider pattern of behaviour too, so I can see why there's some logic behind highlighting it.) But this is one of the few examples where there is unequivocal proof of it happening. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HanoiVillan Posted April 21, 2021 Share Posted April 21, 2021 It just so obviously plays into Johnson's hands by allowing to do the whole 'I wouldn't like bureaucracy get in the way of handling a crisis' thing. What was it he said? 'I won't apologise for moving heaven and earth for getting the help we needed in a crisis' or something like that. Good line IMO. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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