HanoiVillan Posted March 31, 2021 Share Posted March 31, 2021 34 minutes ago, andym said: Having read the summary of the report, they haven't actually said that, the opposite in fact, its just they have buried it right at the end of the summary. They have (unsurprisingly) been rather sneaky about how they have presented things. They have gone big on 'institutional racism' not being a thing, but then they are only applying that term to when 'deep-seated racism can be proven on a systemic level and not be used as a general catch-all phrase for any microaggression, witting or unwitting'. Of course it also helps when you downplay any suggestion to the contrary by basically blaming it on victims 'perception': "The word mistrust was repeated often as some witnesses from the police service, mental health, education and health services felt that the system was not on their side. Once we interrogated the data we did find some evidence of biases, but often it was a perception that the wider society could not be trusted." There's a lot of that just in the summary, and other stuff like 'what about the success stories', as though that somehow negates the bad stuff. Ultimately they are playing to their audience, and they know full well that with the help of compliant media friends, 'no institutional racism' is going to be taken as 'no racism', even though that is not the case. Hence the usual suspects on social media putting out 'see we are the most tolerant country, not racist at all, its just lefty snowflakes always playing the victim'. Great post. Their definition of 'institutional racism' is just not anybody's previous understanding of what the term means, hence you can get bits like this: 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chrisp65 Posted March 31, 2021 Share Posted March 31, 2021 So not unlike the report in to the Police that was headlined as them being cleared of wrong doing but then in the body of the report stated they had misinterpreted the law and handled the situation about as badly as was possible. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chrisp65 Posted March 31, 2021 Share Posted March 31, 2021 12 minutes ago, HanoiVillan said: Great post. Their definition of 'institutional racism' is just not anybody's previous understanding of what the term means, hence you can get bits like this: If ethnic minorities choose to live in poor overcrowded conditions that’s their problem not ours. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post HanoiVillan Posted March 31, 2021 Popular Post Share Posted March 31, 2021 3 minutes ago, chrisp65 said: If ethnic minorities choose to live in poor overcrowded conditions that’s their problem not ours. Look Chris, it's time people faced facts. Nobody actually sat down with a document they titled 'Our Evil Racist Plan' and designed a system of employment, housing, healthcare and so on that specifically discriminates against non-white people; people should stop asking questions, and be thankful to live in a country which has put the evils of racism behind it, apart from a couple of isolated instances. Maybe you should instead consider whether slavery wasn't all bad, because it allowed Africans to 'culturally transform' themselves? Spoiler Think I'm joking? 10 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chindie Posted March 31, 2021 VT Supporter Share Posted March 31, 2021 Racism isn't racism if you decide what is racist isn't racist by your definition of racism. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chrisp65 Posted March 31, 2021 Share Posted March 31, 2021 Bloody hell @HanoiVillan that is a proper eye opener! That is your genuine Orwellian evil twist. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LondonLax Posted March 31, 2021 Share Posted March 31, 2021 1 hour ago, ender4 said: Whilst i agree with what you said for the most part, i do agree with the above sentence - that as a country the UK are probably far more tolerant of 'others' than most other countries in the world. Which is a great thing, even if we have further to go. You'd be amazing at how racist most other countries are. I guess one for the racism thread rather than here. Yes it’s pretty difficult to measure but the U.K. would actually have to rank pretty highly on issues of racism. That certainly doesn’t mean there is no racism in the U.K. (certainly not!) but it on a comparison basis you’d be hard pressed to actually name a place that has got it right and is showing the U.K. the way. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stevo985 Posted April 1, 2021 VT Supporter Share Posted April 1, 2021 18 hours ago, HanoiVillan said: Look Chris, it's time people faced facts. Nobody actually sat down with a document they titled 'Our Evil Racist Plan' and designed a system of employment, housing, healthcare and so on that specifically discriminates against non-white people; people should stop asking questions, and be thankful to live in a country which has put the evils of racism behind it, apart from a couple of isolated instances. Maybe you should instead consider whether slavery wasn't all bad, because it allowed Africans to 'culturally transform' themselves? Hide contents Think I'm joking? WOW Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StefanAVFC Posted April 1, 2021 Share Posted April 1, 2021 I mean, yeah, that's one way of doing it 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
snowychap Posted April 1, 2021 Share Posted April 1, 2021 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HanoiVillan Posted April 1, 2021 Share Posted April 1, 2021 Huh, missed this unsurprising news: 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bannedfromHandV Posted April 1, 2021 Share Posted April 1, 2021 1 hour ago, HanoiVillan said: Huh, missed this unsurprising news: If all of that is true, and nothing at all comes of it, which I suspect will be highly probable......man. Corruption almost doesn’t exist any more because it’s no longer corrupt, it’s standard practice, how do you combat that? 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jareth Posted April 1, 2021 Share Posted April 1, 2021 1 hour ago, HanoiVillan said: Huh, missed this unsurprising news: Wonder if Dave took his West Ham sleeping bag Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chrisp65 Posted April 1, 2021 Share Posted April 1, 2021 Looks like some of the ‘contributors’ to the race report deny being contributors. What a shoddy little bunch of shits this government is. Indy Quote Two authors named as “stakeholders” in a landmark report into race disparities in Britain have hit out at claims they provided evidence, with one protesting: “I was never consulted”. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chrisp65 Posted April 3, 2021 Share Posted April 3, 2021 Flags should be compulsory in schools, with teachers re educated. Heil! 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bickster Posted April 3, 2021 Moderator Share Posted April 3, 2021 5 minutes ago, chrisp65 said: Flags should be compulsory in schools, with teachers re educated. Heil! Maybe Tom Rhyming Slang needs the education as to what the flag represents to the rest of the world through history Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HanoiVillan Posted April 3, 2021 Share Posted April 3, 2021 His use of scare quotes around the word 'educated' is quite menacing there, isn't it. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
blandy Posted April 3, 2021 Author Moderator Share Posted April 3, 2021 11 minutes ago, HanoiVillan said: His use of scare quotes around the word 'educated' is quite menacing there, isn't it. Almost as menacing as when Gavin Williamson told Russia to shut up and go away. maybe this is one for the “things you often wonder” thread, but how do the baby eaters seem to have an inexhaustible supply of grade A, overblown, pompous, ridiculous, preening rocket polishers? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Follyfoot Posted April 3, 2021 VT Supporter Share Posted April 3, 2021 15 minutes ago, HanoiVillan said: His use of scare quotes around the word 'educated' is quite menacing there, isn't it. Indeed, it’s implying “we have ways of making you listen” 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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