Pottervillan Posted May 9 Share Posted May 9 6 minutes ago, Jon said: Yep. They're buggered under Rishi Rich. But replacing him this late in the show is equally farcical. They're a busted flush. Hopefully flushes enough to discharge all the "toxic waste" out through the Thames and out to sea, never to be seen again. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bickster Posted May 10 Moderator Share Posted May 10 19 hours ago, Genie said: This feels a bit like the last days / weeks of Boris. It feels more like the fall of the Roman Empire. I seriously think we're living in a period that will be studied by political historians for a very long time 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Genie Posted May 10 Share Posted May 10 24 minutes ago, bickster said: It feels more like the fall of the Roman Empire. I seriously think we're living in a period that will be studied by political historians for a very long time Coincidentally, the main “character” whose influence is all over this historical period likes to quote latin at every possibility. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mjmooney Posted May 10 VT Supporter Share Posted May 10 14 minutes ago, Genie said: Coincidentally, the main “character” whose influence is all over this historical period likes to quote latin at every possibility. Caeci caecos ducentes. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Genie Posted May 10 Share Posted May 10 16 minutes ago, mjmooney said: Caeci caecos ducentes. I’m not sure about that. More like bullshitting grifter lowers stands for what constitutes acceptable behaviour of public officials. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Fun Factory Posted May 10 Share Posted May 10 (edited) The tories will be bigging up the UK's 0.6% growth in the last quarter for all of its worth. That is still anemic and overall we are still the slowest growing economy in the G7. On all major standards- disposal income, home prices and rents, fuel poverty, life expectancy, and general health and wellbeing, we are going backwards. Edited May 10 by The Fun Factory 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
meregreen Posted May 12 Share Posted May 12 The Tories looking to proscribe any organisation that uses illegal means to protest. That historically would have made the suffragettes illegal. The Tolpuddle martyrs would be turning in their graves. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bickster Posted May 12 Moderator Share Posted May 12 1 hour ago, meregreen said: The Tories looking to proscribe any organisation that uses illegal means to protest. That historically would have made the suffragettes illegal. The Tolpuddle martyrs would be turning in their graves. Well obviously I'm against it but it’s a knee jerk reaction to the Just Stop Oil nonsense. I’ve got nothing against people protesting using illegal means but trying to damage the Magna Carta requires all kinds of mental gymnastics to justify it. Gluing yourself to Shell HQ and similar, go ahead, it makes sense. Trying to damage the historical document that is the origin of western liberal democracy that started the whole process that gives you the right to protest and a fair trial takes a special kind of arsehole. Clearly I'm not in favour of proscribing any of these organisations but if they carry on doing dickheaded things, there will obviously be a push back from government, especially the Tories. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OutByEaster? Posted May 12 Moderator Share Posted May 12 We already have laws that punish that behaviour though - it's like proscribing the Tory party just because they're all thieving sex pests. Hold on.... 2 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mjmooney Posted May 12 VT Supporter Share Posted May 12 6 minutes ago, OutByEaster? said: We already have laws that punish that behaviour though This has always been one of my hobby horses. It's like punishing a football club if individuals who claim to support them misbehave. Organisations are too amorphous a concept, they change their names and philosophies all the time. Punish the perpetrator, end of. 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Genie Posted May 13 Share Posted May 13 Sunak speaking about a dangerous few years ahead. Same fella who was threatening to leave the ECHR to get a couple of hundred people a year sent to Rwanda. Of all the things the Tories have zero credibility on, this could be the biggest. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bickster Posted May 13 Moderator Share Posted May 13 Can't even use email properly at head office... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bickster Posted May 13 Moderator Share Posted May 13 And the Minister for Common Sense has been in post for 6 months by my reckoning and its taken her this long to.... Quote Esther McVey, the “minister for common sense”, has said she will crack down on diversity initiatives in the civil service, including banning the wearing of rainbow lanyards. McVey, who was appointed to Rishi Sunak’s cabinet as a minister without portfolio, said civil servants should be leaving their political views “at the building entrance” and that there should not be a “random pick and mix” of causes on security lanyards. “They should be a standard design reflecting that we are all members of the government delivering for the citizens of the UK,” she said in a speech to the Centre for Policy Studies. “We need to stop the inappropriate back-door politicisation of the civil service, which diverts time and resources from that focus on the public.... Guardian Yes, this is definitely common sense and just what the public are concerned about. NUTTER! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post bickster Posted May 13 Moderator Popular Post Share Posted May 13 Nadhim Zahawi has been announced as the Chairman of the Very Group just days after announcing that he was quitting parliament... Make of that what you will OH yes forgot to add that the Very Group (AKA Littlewoods) is owned by the Barclay Brothers 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wishywashy Posted Tuesday at 15:50 Share Posted Tuesday at 15:50 (edited) Why are they all so concerned about being kicked out of Parliament if they get arrested for serious sexual or violent crimes? I thought Rishi was all about ensuring integrity and accountability? Some of the quotes in the article are absolutely startling. Some Tory MPs very openly fear that it would affect them. Wonder why? Edited Tuesday at 15:52 by wishywashy Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Davkaus Posted Tuesday at 16:09 Share Posted Tuesday at 16:09 My favourite quote from the lot is "a lesson in what a Labour government will lead to", says tory MP witnessing disorganisation after 14 years of Conservative government. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bickster Posted Tuesday at 17:18 Moderator Share Posted Tuesday at 17:18 Banning people from Parliament who have been arrested presents some serious problems for democracy. The evidential bar for an officer to make an arrest is spectacularly low, it can amount to an accusation has been made. This is yet more woke up this morning and had an idea shite and is completely anti democratic. Want to disrupt democracy? Go and make an accusation about a big bunch of MPs Nope, stupid idea Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Davkaus Posted Tuesday at 17:24 Share Posted Tuesday at 17:24 I think the important caveat here is that it isn't an automatic ban, @bickster, it simply gives an independent (supposedly) panel the power to intervene if it's thought necessary, there will be a risk assessment on a case by case basis Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bickster Posted Tuesday at 17:40 Moderator Share Posted Tuesday at 17:40 11 minutes ago, Davkaus said: I think the important caveat here is that it isn't an automatic ban, @bickster, it simply gives an independent (supposedly) panel the power to intervene if it's thought necessary, there will be a risk assessment on a case by case basis It's not independent, it’s a committee of MPs as determined by the speaker. How will they decide any of this? They'll surely need to examine the evidence or are they just taking the Police's word for it? That again has the potential to prejudice any future trial and the current investigation. Nope, sorry but arrest is just not a high enough bar. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Follyfoot Posted Tuesday at 17:50 VT Supporter Share Posted Tuesday at 17:50 31 minutes ago, bickster said: Banning people from Parliament who have been arrested presents some serious problems for democracy. The evidential bar for an officer to make an arrest is spectacularly low, it can amount to an accusation has been made. This is yet more woke up this morning and had an idea shite and is completely anti democratic. Want to disrupt democracy? Go and make an accusation about a big bunch of MPs Nope, stupid idea Totally agree, mate. The countries going to hell in a handcart, gotta stop this wokeness 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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