tonyh29 Posted June 2, 2020 Share Posted June 2, 2020 (edited) 22 minutes ago, chrisp65 said: The trouble is, there are very few people that can be compared with Cummings. I know I’m repeating myself, but he attends SAGE and relays their advice to the Prime Minister and then writes the governement’s policy for them, some of which becomes law. There are so few people in that category, that then did anything approaching what Cummings did. It really is a case apart. Whether 6 Labour MP’s have been caught out or a Liberal has licked a door handle or in the case of Plaid, one of them got in to some sort of domestic abuse fight, it’s all very much lower tier stuff. Like, if Kevin from Blackpool hangs out with paedo’s, that’s bad. If a Prince hangs out with convicted paedo’s that’s also bad. But kind of a bigger deal. It’s that same sort of thing. it’s people in positions of power and influence and authority undermining the very system they are supposed to represent. MP’s will always be caught out doing dumb nasty selfish stuff, the job attracts that sort of person. But if someone is a higher tier and they make the rules, then they are going to get far more scrutiny. Like when Major was PM and wanted a return to family values and then it turns out he’s scuttling Edwina Curry on the regular. It’s a far bigger deal he’s doing that than some other MP from some other party is also a shagger. So it is disheartening when constantly having to debate whataboutery. Even with my own MP, who clearly either didn’t know the facts he was trying to add in, or presumed I wouldn’t. Or, like others, presumed if I’m anti tory then I must be pro Labour. Don't we have a 10 year rule or something , not sure how dragging Major into it fits these rules .. He didn't get found out until after he'd left office fwiw , the public would have been blissfully aware of his hypocrisy ( a few magazines alleged it but as they named the wrong person it was easily dismissed ) A paedo is a paedo as far as i'm concerned , that one has a title is of no relevance to me in terms of the crime they commit ( except of course when one uses that title to avoid prosecution ) .. that's essentially the point we are differing on , your view suggests you'd be ok with a person coveting their neighbour's ox as long as they didn't write the 10 commandments , where as I view it on the crime against the neighbour . Edited June 2, 2020 by tonyh29 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Xann Posted June 2, 2020 Share Posted June 2, 2020 Quote AI firm that worked with Vote Leave given new coronavirus contract Deal may allow Faculty, linked to senior Tory figures, to analyse social media data, utility bills and credit ratings Faculty, which has links to senior Tory figures in Downing Street and the Cabinet Office, declined to say how many contracts it had won in total from the government for work connected to the pandemic, nor how much the contracts were worth. The latest contract was awarded directly to Faculty without other firms being given an opportunity to make a competitive bid. The ministry said there was an “urgent need to bring in additional analytics support to help inform our response to the coronavirus pandemic”. Grauniad 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post chrisp65 Posted June 2, 2020 Popular Post Share Posted June 2, 2020 22 minutes ago, tonyh29 said: Don't we have a 10 year rule or something , not sure how dragging Major into it fits these rules .. He didn't get found out until after he'd left office fwiw , the public would have been blissfully aware of his hypocrisy ( a few magazines alleged it but as they named the wrong person it was easily dismissed ) A paedo is a paedo as far as i'm concerned , that one has a title is of no relevance to me in terms of the crime they commit ( except of course when one uses that title to avoid prosecution ) .. that's essentially the point we are differing on , your view suggests you'd be ok with a person coveting their neighbour's ox as long as they didn't write the 10 commandments , where as I view it on the crime against the neighbour . I can never quite decide if you genuinely don’t get the point. My guess is that my flip flopping out of anger and sarcasm makes it difficult to see what my actual point is. I’m against all Ox coveting. However I’m not going to waste my time protesting every Ox Coveter of the Home Counties and beyond. When the guy that wrote the rules thinks they don’t apply to him, that what I think is worthy of discussion. Essentially, I’m a bit against hypocrisy among the lawmakers and the establishment. If you don’t see any difference, I’m cool with that. 8 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Stevo985 Posted June 2, 2020 VT Supporter Share Posted June 2, 2020 1 hour ago, chrisp65 said: I can never quite decide if you genuinely don’t get the point. My guess is that my flip flopping out of anger and sarcasm makes it difficult to see what my actual point is. Your point was pretty clear. And I think most people would agree with it. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tonyh29 Posted June 2, 2020 Share Posted June 2, 2020 I don't think that really brings anything to the table ,but I understood his point perfectly , I put across mine ... We had a conversation and didn't agree , that's cool , we move onto our next disagreement . As i've said numerous times , it would be a shit topic if all it contained was someone posting X and loads of people posting "I agree" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Stevo985 Posted June 2, 2020 VT Supporter Share Posted June 2, 2020 19 minutes ago, tonyh29 said: I don't think that really brings anything to the table ,but I understood his point perfectly , I put across mine ... We had a conversation and didn't agree , that's cool , we move onto our next disagreement . As i've said numerous times , it would be a shit topic if all it contained was someone posting X and loads of people posting "I agree" Your reply to Chris’ post very much read like you had completely missed the point. Apologies if I got that wrong. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chrisp65 Posted June 2, 2020 Share Posted June 2, 2020 Looks like Westminster has been a rip roaring success of slick logistics today. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Xann Posted June 2, 2020 Share Posted June 2, 2020 5 minutes ago, chrisp65 said: Looks like Westminster has been a rip roaring success of slick logistics today. Piece of Shit-Mogg in full effect. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chrisp65 Posted June 2, 2020 Share Posted June 2, 2020 1 minute ago, Xann said: Piece of Shit-Mogg in full effect. D’you think he’s got nanny back stage ready to give him an anti bac wipe down and some warm milk once he’s finished for the day? For clarity, I’d say that about any Representative for Wellingborough from 1878, not just tory ones. If any Labour MP’s still have their own wet nurse, a country estate, 16 kids all called Archduke Xenophon III well then I think they’re Representatives for Wellingborough too. I’m nothing if I’m not even handed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bickster Posted June 2, 2020 Moderator Share Posted June 2, 2020 31 minutes ago, Xann said: Piece of Shit-Mogg in full effect. Thats the Right Dishonourable Jacob Piece-of-Shit-Moggif you don't meind. It would offend his sensibilities if you didn't address him correctly. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Seat68 Posted June 2, 2020 Share Posted June 2, 2020 5 minutes ago, bickster said: Thats the Right Dishonourable Jacob Piece-of-Shit-Moggif you don't meind. It would offend his sensibilities if you didn't address him correctly. If you address a letter to word removed, Somerset its likely to find its way to him. *stolen from Cook and Moore. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ml1dch Posted June 2, 2020 Share Posted June 2, 2020 2 minutes ago, Seat68 said: If you address a letter to word removed, Somerset its likely to find its way to him. *stolen from Cook and Moore. Living in Somerset I can confirm that it could easily end up going through a lot of doors. Probably mine included. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
snowychap Posted June 2, 2020 Share Posted June 2, 2020 1 hour ago, Stevo985 said: Your reply to Chris’ post very much read like you had completely missed the point. Apologies if I got that wrong. I really don't think you did. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
It's Your Round Posted June 2, 2020 Share Posted June 2, 2020 2 hours ago, tonyh29 said: I don't think that really brings anything to the table ,but I understood his point perfectly , I put across mine ... We had a conversation and didn't agree , that's cool , we move onto our next disagreement . As i've said numerous times , it would be a shit topic if all it contained was someone posting X and loads of people posting "I agree" Agreed Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
blandy Posted June 2, 2020 Author Moderator Share Posted June 2, 2020 6 hours ago, tonyh29 said: you'd be ok with a person coveting their neighbour's ox as long as they didn't write the 10 commandments Neither is OK. The particular exacerbated ox-related transgression of the MP is that as an ox-coveter, he then outlaws ox-coveting for everyone, while secretly (he hopes) carrying on with his bovine companion regardless. Like an MP on a pay committee paying his cleaner less than the legal minimum wage, or Dominic Cummerbatch flouting his own lockdown rules, multiple times over and then lying about it. He flouted so many different parts of the rules on so many occasions and the tories (by and large) defend him out of nothing but self interest, even though every one of them knows he should go. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
blandy Posted June 2, 2020 Author Moderator Share Posted June 2, 2020 2 hours ago, tonyh29 said: it would be a shit topic if all it contained was someone posting X and loads of people posting "I agree" I agree. Oh. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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