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43 minutes ago, Wainy316 said:

A major difference to note between Kinnock, Grealish and Cummings (that’s a weird sentence) is the former two accepted they messed up and apologised.

He may have apologised in the meantime but I’ve not seen it , so Google is there to prove me wrong but from memory Kinnock didn’t apologise , instead he changed his story from “packed a few chairs to visit dad and wish him a happy birthday”  ,  to it was a delivery of necessary provisions and then I wished him happy birthday ( presumably the chairs he happened to have packed were part of the necessary provisions )

 

 

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Under cover of the Coronavirus pandemic and headlines over the Government’s handling of the crisis which has seen Britain suffer more deaths than any other European country, another major public health story has slipped through barely noticed.

The most important farming legislation in generations passed its third reading in parliament despite warnings that in a bid to make the UK market pliable for a post-Brexit US trade deal, protections of minimum food safety standards have evaporated, as have safeguards for Britain’s farmers.

With most MPs still socially distanced at home, MPs passed the legislation’s third reading in a virtual vote – 360 – 211. A full list of how they voted in this crucial legislation is below...

Full list of MPs who voted for the Agriculture Bill in the Third Reading:

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And there's been some 'Ah buts' over the years but this is in its own solar system.

What should Chris have done differently? Mention Kinnock in his letter to his Tory MP? Write to the Labour candidate who lost? Maybe write to Starmer directly?

Not a very well thought out statement really, that collapses under the slightest of scrutiny, but looking at the various detailed and passionate replies it got, I think it achieved its mission. Hat off to you for getting so many bites. 

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11 hours ago, tonyh29 said:

Your confusing me with someone who uses social media .

Cummings is an advisor , the inconsequential Kinnock is an active sitting MP , both funded by the tax payer ... of the 2 I’d say an MP should be  more accountable to people than a special advisor , I’m sure we can agree on that  ...

As you like letter writing , If you’d like me to get Purslow’s email address so you can write to the club and demand we sack Grealish then PM me 

This might be one of the weirdest posts I've ever read on here :D 

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8 minutes ago, Phil Silvers said:

This offends me

I'd suggest writing to your MP , but he's probably a bit busy right now dealing with letters about Jack Grealish :)

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13 hours ago, bannedfromHandV said:

See this is what people aren’t getting, in my opinion at least.

I can accept what he did because honestly I’d be a hypocrite if I didn’t, although I will add that as someone who devised the restrictions and who should be leading by example there is an additional moral/ethical responsibility.

What I, and I think the majority of people are fed up with in this form of politics is the blatant, unrepentant and absolutely obvious lying. If he just came out and said you know what guys, yeah I messed up a bit, I made an error in judgement and should have been more considerate, I apologise to everyone - that’s human, people can get on board with that, most of us if not all of us have dropped the ball at some point. 
 

But to sit there, emotionless and steadfast in a belief that what he did was absolutely correct is a kick in the balls for every single person in this country, irrespective of political beliefs and party colours.

 

And it goes beyond that doesn’t it, let’s face it this is a culmination of lies embodied in the person most people consider to be probably the most powerful person within the government right now (despite not formally being in the government). We’ve sat and listened to lie upon lie from this serving shambles of an authority since they came to power, and even before then.

PPE bullshit, whether on current stock or purchases and then the audacity to blame medical professionals for not using it correctly or efficiently enough. 
 

Total finger in the air calculations on infections, deaths and not even recording or bothering to try to record a huge amount within communities and care homes, at least not until those figures began adding up to less than 1000 per day.

The whole testing farce, changing wording from ‘people tested’ to ‘tests conducted’ in order to magically hit their 100,000 target.

This government is lying to everyone every single day in order to curry favour and it’s tragic that it’s all some people seem to require.

Errors and mistakes, yep, they happen.

Lying about it constantly is a crime against this entire country.

Thanks for a well reasoned reply

 tbh you and a few others over analyse events far more than i do  , my post was a simplified look at the culture of hounding people out of office and a kinda trail by social media  , it became clear after a bit of contretemps with the original poster that I'd misjudged the situation and how it was quite emotive to Chris and I've sent him a PM to apologise and clarify   .. 

I don't know Cummins intentions in this  , was he a man with a family who panicked (initially)  , was he just  stupid or was he being elitist and saying rules don't apply to me ...    as I alluded to with my Little Britain post , he was doing a decent enough job in the first instance until he came to the explaining away the day trip and then his story kinda fell apart ... I don't feel that strongly about what he did is the truth ,maybe i should , but as i said in another thread way way back , i caught a father and son fishing in my local lake during the early part of  lockdown when the lake was closed and just took the view that they were doing no harm , they were doing a bit of family time weren't interacting with anyone , so it's not for me to ring the newspaper or police and ask for them to be investigated .

The second part of your reply is all fair comment , my view is one of mistakes have been made but I'd rather the recriminations happen once it's over , 800 letters to some MP's ,( many of which are genuine , many of which I'm sure are not ) is a huge distraction in a time when perhaps MP's could be better diverting their attention elsewhere.

It can be argued that driving Cummings and Johnson out now is a good thing because of the lies ,perceived mis -management  etc that you state  , personally however bad a job you think they are doing , i don't see that changing at the top in the middle of a crisis is a good thing  .. What is it going to achieve?  it will be Dominic Raab in charge and same old , same old   , however much VT may will it that the government say oh , my bad , we think that nice Keir Starmer  should run things because he did really well in one PMQ's .

a simplified view perhaps but as i've said before I'm a simple type of bloke

 

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Tory privatisation is at the heart of the UK's disastrous coronavirus response

From PPE failures to care home tragedies, this crisis has exposed the pernicious role of corporate power in public policy

Take, for example, the lethal failures to provide protective clothing, masks and other equipment (PPE) to health workers. A report by the campaigning group We Own It seeks to explain why so many doctors, nurses and other hospital workers have died unnecessarily of Covid-19. It describes a system built around the needs not of health workers or patients, but of corporations and commercial contracts: a system that could scarcely be better designed for failure.

Four layers of commercial contractors, each rich with opportunities for profit-making, stand between doctors and nurses and the equipment they need. These layers are then fragmented into 11 tottering, uncoordinated supply chains, creating an almost perfect formula for chaos. Among the many weak links in these chains are consultancy companies like Deloitte, whose farcical attempts to procure emergency supplies of PPE have been fiercely criticised by both manufacturers and health workers.

At the end of the chains are manufacturing companies, some of which have mysteriously been granted monopolies on the supply of essential equipment. These private monopolies have either failed to meet their contracts, or provided defective gear to the entire NHS, like the 15m protective goggles and the planeload of useless surgical gowns that had to be recalled.

Instead of stockpiling supplies, as emergency preparedness demands, companies in these chains have been using just-in-time production systems, whose purpose is to cut their costs by minimising stocks. Their minimised systems could not be scaled up fast enough to meet the shortfall. Where there should be a smooth, coordinated, accountable programme, there’s opacity, byzantine complexity and total chaos. So much for the efficiencies of privatisation.

The pandemic has also exposed the privatised care system as catastrophically unfit and ill-prepared. In 1993, 95% of care at home was provided publicly by local authorities. Now, almost all of it – and almost all residential care – is provided by private companies. Even before the pandemic, the system was falling apart, as many care companies, unable to balance the needs of their patients with the demands of their shareholders, collapsed, often with disastrous consequences.

Now we discover just how dangerous their commercial imperatives have become, as the drive to make care profitable has created a fragmented, incoherent system, answerable sometimes to offshore owners, that fails to meet basic standards, and employs harassed workers on zero-hour contracts. If there is one thing we have learnt from this pandemic, it’s the need for a publicly owned, publicly run National Care Service – the care equivalent of the NHS.

It could all become much worse, due to another effect of corporate power. A report by the Corporate Europe Observatory shows how law firms are exploring the possibility of suing governments for the measures they have taken to stop the pandemic. Many trade treaties contain a provision called “investor state dispute settlement”. This enables corporations to sue governments in opaque offshore tribunals, for any policies that might affect their “future anticipated profits”.

 

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7 minutes ago, snowychap said:

No.

This.

There are no consequences anymore. The idea of falling on your sword no longer exists. Shame doesn't exist. And worse... This is rewarded.

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