tonyh29 Posted May 27, 2020 Share Posted May 27, 2020 43 minutes ago, Wainy316 said: A major difference to note between Kinnock, Grealish and Cummings (that’s a weird sentence) is the former two accepted they messed up and apologised. He may have apologised in the meantime but I’ve not seen it , so Google is there to prove me wrong but from memory Kinnock didn’t apologise , instead he changed his story from “packed a few chairs to visit dad and wish him a happy birthday” , to it was a delivery of necessary provisions and then I wished him happy birthday ( presumably the chairs he happened to have packed were part of the necessary provisions ) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Xann Posted May 27, 2020 Share Posted May 27, 2020 Quote Under cover of the Coronavirus pandemic and headlines over the Government’s handling of the crisis which has seen Britain suffer more deaths than any other European country, another major public health story has slipped through barely noticed. The most important farming legislation in generations passed its third reading in parliament despite warnings that in a bid to make the UK market pliable for a post-Brexit US trade deal, protections of minimum food safety standards have evaporated, as have safeguards for Britain’s farmers. With most MPs still socially distanced at home, MPs passed the legislation’s third reading in a virtual vote – 360 – 211. A full list of how they voted in this crucial legislation is below... Full list of MPs who voted for the Agriculture Bill in the Third Reading: Nigel Adams Conservative Bim Afolami Conservative Adam Afriyie Conservative Nickie Aiken Conservative Peter Aldous Conservative Lucy Allan Conservative Stuart Anderson Conservative Lee Anderson Conservative Stuart Andrew Conservative Caroline Ansell Conservative Edward Argar Conservative Sarah Atherton Conservative Victoria Atkins Conservative Gareth Bacon Conservative Richard Bacon Conservative Kemi Badenoch Conservative Shaun Bailey Conservative Duncan Baker Conservative Steven Baker Conservative Harriett Baldwin Conservative Steve Barclay Conservative John Baron Conservative Simon Baynes Conservative Aaron Bell Conservative Scott Benton Conservative Paul Beresford Conservative Jake Berry Conservative Saqib Bhatti Conservative Bob Blackman Conservative Crispin Blunt Conservative Peter Bone Conservative Andrew Bowie Conservative Karen Bradley Conservative Ben Bradley Conservative Graham Brady Conservative Suella Braverman Conservative Jack Brereton Conservative Andrew Bridgen Conservative Steve Brine Conservative Paul Bristow Conservative Sara Britcliffe Conservative James Brokenshire Conservative Anthony Browne Conservative Fiona Bruce Conservative Felicity Buchan Conservative Robert Buckland Conservative Alex Burghart Conservative Rob Butler Conservative Alun Cairns Conservative Gregory Campbell DUP Andy Carter Conservative James Cartlidge Conservative Bill Cash Conservative Miriam Cates Conservative Maria Caulfield Conservative Alex Chalk Conservative Rehman Chishti Conservative Christopher Chope Conservative Jo Churchill Conservative Greg Clark Conservative Simon Clarke Conservative Theo Clarke Conservative Brendan Clarke-Smith Conservative Chris Clarkson Conservative James Cleverly Conservative Geoffrey Clifton-Brown Conservative Therese Coffey Conservative Elliot Colburn Conservative Damian Collins Conservative Alberto Costa Conservative Robert Courts Conservative Claire Coutinho Conservative Geoffrey Cox Conservative Stephen Crabb Conservative Virginia Crosbie Conservative Tracey Crouch Conservative James Daly Conservative David Davies Conservative Mims Davies Conservative James Davies Conservative Philip Davies Conservative Gareth Davies Conservative David Davis Conservative Dehenna Davison Conservative Caroline Dinenage Conservative Sarah Dines Conservative Jonathan Djanogly Conservative Leo Docherty Conservative Jeffrey M. 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Conservative Craig Whittaker Conservative John Whittingdale Conservative Bill Wiggin Conservative James Wild Conservative Craig Williams Conservative Gavin Williamson Conservative Sammy Wilson DUP Mike Wood Conservative Jeremy Wright Conservative Jacob Young Conservative Nadhim Zahawi Conservative (data from They Work For You) London Economic What f***ing scum they are. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StefanAVFC Posted May 27, 2020 Share Posted May 27, 2020 Ah that prominent Liberal bubble of *checks notes* Julia Hartley-Brewer Iain Dale Michael Heseltine The Daily Mail & 55% of Conservative voters 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StefanAVFC Posted May 27, 2020 Share Posted May 27, 2020 (edited) And there's been some 'Ah buts' over the years but this is in its own solar system. What should Chris have done differently? Mention Kinnock in his letter to his Tory MP? Write to the Labour candidate who lost? Maybe write to Starmer directly? Not a very well thought out statement really, that collapses under the slightest of scrutiny, but looking at the various detailed and passionate replies it got, I think it achieved its mission. Hat off to you for getting so many bites. Edited May 27, 2020 by StefanAVFC 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stevo985 Posted May 27, 2020 VT Supporter Share Posted May 27, 2020 11 hours ago, tonyh29 said: Your confusing me with someone who uses social media . Cummings is an advisor , the inconsequential Kinnock is an active sitting MP , both funded by the tax payer ... of the 2 I’d say an MP should be more accountable to people than a special advisor , I’m sure we can agree on that ... As you like letter writing , If you’d like me to get Purslow’s email address so you can write to the club and demand we sack Grealish then PM me This might be one of the weirdest posts I've ever read on here 1 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post tonyh29 Posted May 27, 2020 Popular Post Share Posted May 27, 2020 12 minutes ago, Stevo985 said: This might be one of the weirdest posts I've ever read on here really ..you should pop into the gravy thread and see the weird shit they post in there 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phil Silvers Posted May 27, 2020 Share Posted May 27, 2020 13 minutes ago, tonyh29 said: really ..you should pop into the gravy thread and see the weird shit they post in there This offends me 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tonyh29 Posted May 27, 2020 Share Posted May 27, 2020 8 minutes ago, Phil Silvers said: This offends me I'd suggest writing to your MP , but he's probably a bit busy right now dealing with letters about Jack Grealish 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mjmooney Posted May 27, 2020 VT Supporter Share Posted May 27, 2020 Dominic Cummings? Quote A sociopath is a term used to describe someone who has antisocial personality disorder (ASPD). People with ASPD can’t understand others’ feelings. They’ll often break rules or make impulsive decisions without feeling guilty for the harm they cause. People with ASPD may also use “mind games” to control friends, family members, co-workers, and even strangers. They may also be perceived as charismatic or charming. To receive a diagnosis of ASPD, someone must be older than 18. Their behaviors must show a pattern of at least three of the following seven traits: Doesn’t respect social norms or laws. They consistently break laws or overstep social boundaries. Lies, deceives others, uses false identities or nicknames, and uses others for personal gain. Doesn’t make any long-term plans. They also often behave without thinking of consequences. Shows aggressive or aggravated behavior. They consistently get into fights or physically harm others. Doesn’t consider their own safety or the safety of others. Doesn't follow up on personal or professional responsibilities. This can include repeatedly being late to work or not paying bills on time. Doesn’t feel guilt or remorse for having harmed or mistreated others. Other possible symptoms of ASPD can include: being “cold” by not showing emotions or investment in the lives of others using humor, intelligence, or charisma to manipulate others having a sense of superiority and strong, unwavering opinions not learning from mistakes not being able to keep positive friendships and relationships attempting to control others by intimidating or threatening them getting into frequent legal trouble or performing criminal acts taking risks at the expense of themselves or others threatening suicide without ever acting on these threats becoming addicted to drugs, alcohol, or other substances 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tonyh29 Posted May 27, 2020 Share Posted May 27, 2020 13 hours ago, bannedfromHandV said: See this is what people aren’t getting, in my opinion at least. I can accept what he did because honestly I’d be a hypocrite if I didn’t, although I will add that as someone who devised the restrictions and who should be leading by example there is an additional moral/ethical responsibility. What I, and I think the majority of people are fed up with in this form of politics is the blatant, unrepentant and absolutely obvious lying. If he just came out and said you know what guys, yeah I messed up a bit, I made an error in judgement and should have been more considerate, I apologise to everyone - that’s human, people can get on board with that, most of us if not all of us have dropped the ball at some point. But to sit there, emotionless and steadfast in a belief that what he did was absolutely correct is a kick in the balls for every single person in this country, irrespective of political beliefs and party colours. And it goes beyond that doesn’t it, let’s face it this is a culmination of lies embodied in the person most people consider to be probably the most powerful person within the government right now (despite not formally being in the government). We’ve sat and listened to lie upon lie from this serving shambles of an authority since they came to power, and even before then. PPE bullshit, whether on current stock or purchases and then the audacity to blame medical professionals for not using it correctly or efficiently enough. Total finger in the air calculations on infections, deaths and not even recording or bothering to try to record a huge amount within communities and care homes, at least not until those figures began adding up to less than 1000 per day. The whole testing farce, changing wording from ‘people tested’ to ‘tests conducted’ in order to magically hit their 100,000 target. This government is lying to everyone every single day in order to curry favour and it’s tragic that it’s all some people seem to require. Errors and mistakes, yep, they happen. Lying about it constantly is a crime against this entire country. Thanks for a well reasoned reply tbh you and a few others over analyse events far more than i do , my post was a simplified look at the culture of hounding people out of office and a kinda trail by social media , it became clear after a bit of contretemps with the original poster that I'd misjudged the situation and how it was quite emotive to Chris and I've sent him a PM to apologise and clarify .. I don't know Cummins intentions in this , was he a man with a family who panicked (initially) , was he just stupid or was he being elitist and saying rules don't apply to me ... as I alluded to with my Little Britain post , he was doing a decent enough job in the first instance until he came to the explaining away the day trip and then his story kinda fell apart ... I don't feel that strongly about what he did is the truth ,maybe i should , but as i said in another thread way way back , i caught a father and son fishing in my local lake during the early part of lockdown when the lake was closed and just took the view that they were doing no harm , they were doing a bit of family time weren't interacting with anyone , so it's not for me to ring the newspaper or police and ask for them to be investigated . The second part of your reply is all fair comment , my view is one of mistakes have been made but I'd rather the recriminations happen once it's over , 800 letters to some MP's ,( many of which are genuine , many of which I'm sure are not ) is a huge distraction in a time when perhaps MP's could be better diverting their attention elsewhere. It can be argued that driving Cummings and Johnson out now is a good thing because of the lies ,perceived mis -management etc that you state , personally however bad a job you think they are doing , i don't see that changing at the top in the middle of a crisis is a good thing .. What is it going to achieve? it will be Dominic Raab in charge and same old , same old , however much VT may will it that the government say oh , my bad , we think that nice Keir Starmer should run things because he did really well in one PMQ's . a simplified view perhaps but as i've said before I'm a simple type of bloke 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post bannedfromHandV Posted May 27, 2020 Popular Post Share Posted May 27, 2020 (edited) 15 minutes ago, tonyh29 said: Thanks for a well reasoned reply tbh you and a few others over analyse events far more than i do , my post was a simplified look at the culture of hounding people out of office and a kinda trail by social media , it became clear after a bit of contretemps with the original poster that I'd misjudged the situation and how it was quite emotive to Chris and I've sent him a PM to apologise and clarify .. I don't know Cummins intentions in this , was he a man with a family who panicked (initially) , was he just stupid or was he being elitist and saying rules don't apply to me ... as I alluded to with my Little Britain post , he was doing a decent enough job in the first instance until he came to the explaining away the day trip and then his story kinda fell apart ... I don't feel that strongly about what he did is the truth ,maybe i should , but as i said in another thread way way back , i caught a father and son fishing in my local lake during the early part of lockdown when the lake was closed and just took the view that they were doing no harm , they were doing a bit of family time weren't interacting with anyone , so it's not for me to ring the newspaper or police and ask for them to be investigated . The second part of your reply is all fair comment , my view is one of mistakes have been made but I'd rather the recriminations happen once it's over , 800 letters to some MP's ,( many of which are genuine , many of which I'm sure are not ) is a huge distraction in a time when perhaps MP's could be better diverting their attention elsewhere. It can be argued that driving Cummings and Johnson out now is a good thing because of the lies ,perceived mis -management etc that you state , personally however bad a job you think they are doing , i don't see that changing at the top in the middle of a crisis is a good thing .. What is it going to achieve? it will be Dominic Raab in charge and same old , same old , however much VT may will it that the government say oh , my bad , we think that nice Keir Starmer should run things because he did really well in one PMQ's . a simplified view perhaps but as i've said before I'm a simple type of bloke But if you don't hold people to account Tony what's the point in anything? What's the point in even having a democratic government, we may as well revert to being ruled by the Royal Family. The other difficulty these days is that the world moves so fast that if you don't address a situation at the point in time which it occurs it just gets lost in the aether. Whether I would prefer a red or blue PM is neither here nor there, all I'm asking for is a degree of honesty and humility, something totally devoid right now. Instead we get Boris rolling out a pair of glasses as a frickin prop to 'prove' to everyone that the virus has an affect on eye-sight, despite never having been recorded as a symptom by anyone prior to Dom's need for a test drive. It's right out of the Trump playbook, I hate to use the phrase because for some reason it makes my skin crawl (in this context at least, as it's originally a Blackjack term) but what they've done is 'doubled-down' on the lie, Boris' glasses and Dom's complete lack of care or remorse is 100% influenced by Trump tactics. Just let that settle in for a second, our leaders are looking at Donald Trump as some kind of example to follow. If that doesn't send shivers through you then it's looking like game over for us all. Edited May 27, 2020 by bannedfromHandV 6 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post chrisp65 Posted May 27, 2020 Popular Post Share Posted May 27, 2020 It’s all fine, we’re all big boys. I felt a line had been crossed where someone can sit in SAGE, advise the PM, then think it doesn’t apply to them and then tell lazy lies in a blatant manner. I was worried about my eyesight and the health of my child so I put the kid in a car and drove to a tourist trap. He has said that for a bet, surely? If that is tolerable behaviour, where is the line? I can see the roof of my parent’s house from where I am currently sat in my house. I can also see the sea from here. I haven’t visited my parents or the beach since mid March (in case anyone wants to trawl back through posts, I have lobbed some shopping over a high fence at my dad, but it missed him). That bloke Cummings, who told me what I could and couldn’t do, decided he was entitled to enhanced privileges and even now just doesn’t care and cannot see the problem with lies for the elite. He should be gone. My mate’s business has gone under because mugs like me obeyed the guidance. Anyway, this is only the internet and contribution to conversation is not obligatory and this place would die on its arse if everyone agreed with everyone. It’s not like any of us are posting YouTube conspiracy theories! I was expecting the criticism to be more around virtue signalling tbh. I’m sure Alun Cairns has better things to do than read my musings, he’s probably got another rape trial to collapse or complain again that foodbanks free up spare cash so the poor can buy drugs. 7 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StefanAVFC Posted May 27, 2020 Share Posted May 27, 2020 Still laughing at the left wing bubble comment to be honest. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HanoiVillan Posted May 27, 2020 Share Posted May 27, 2020 Happy days in West Devon! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Xann Posted May 27, 2020 Share Posted May 27, 2020 Quote Tory privatisation is at the heart of the UK's disastrous coronavirus response From PPE failures to care home tragedies, this crisis has exposed the pernicious role of corporate power in public policy Take, for example, the lethal failures to provide protective clothing, masks and other equipment (PPE) to health workers. A report by the campaigning group We Own It seeks to explain why so many doctors, nurses and other hospital workers have died unnecessarily of Covid-19. It describes a system built around the needs not of health workers or patients, but of corporations and commercial contracts: a system that could scarcely be better designed for failure. Four layers of commercial contractors, each rich with opportunities for profit-making, stand between doctors and nurses and the equipment they need. These layers are then fragmented into 11 tottering, uncoordinated supply chains, creating an almost perfect formula for chaos. Among the many weak links in these chains are consultancy companies like Deloitte, whose farcical attempts to procure emergency supplies of PPE have been fiercely criticised by both manufacturers and health workers. At the end of the chains are manufacturing companies, some of which have mysteriously been granted monopolies on the supply of essential equipment. These private monopolies have either failed to meet their contracts, or provided defective gear to the entire NHS, like the 15m protective goggles and the planeload of useless surgical gowns that had to be recalled. Instead of stockpiling supplies, as emergency preparedness demands, companies in these chains have been using just-in-time production systems, whose purpose is to cut their costs by minimising stocks. Their minimised systems could not be scaled up fast enough to meet the shortfall. Where there should be a smooth, coordinated, accountable programme, there’s opacity, byzantine complexity and total chaos. So much for the efficiencies of privatisation. The pandemic has also exposed the privatised care system as catastrophically unfit and ill-prepared. In 1993, 95% of care at home was provided publicly by local authorities. Now, almost all of it – and almost all residential care – is provided by private companies. Even before the pandemic, the system was falling apart, as many care companies, unable to balance the needs of their patients with the demands of their shareholders, collapsed, often with disastrous consequences. Now we discover just how dangerous their commercial imperatives have become, as the drive to make care profitable has created a fragmented, incoherent system, answerable sometimes to offshore owners, that fails to meet basic standards, and employs harassed workers on zero-hour contracts. If there is one thing we have learnt from this pandemic, it’s the need for a publicly owned, publicly run National Care Service – the care equivalent of the NHS. It could all become much worse, due to another effect of corporate power. A report by the Corporate Europe Observatory shows how law firms are exploring the possibility of suing governments for the measures they have taken to stop the pandemic. Many trade treaties contain a provision called “investor state dispute settlement”. This enables corporations to sue governments in opaque offshore tribunals, for any policies that might affect their “future anticipated profits”. Grauniad 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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bickster Posted May 27, 2020 Moderator Share Posted May 27, 2020 On a similar note, I couln't resist myself today 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post tom_avfc Posted May 27, 2020 Popular Post Share Posted May 27, 2020 Is it just me or is this government actually quite scary in the way it is operating? They seem to be above any kind of accountability and desperate to shut down any questioning without answering. Im only 30 but I can’t remember anything quite like this. I also find it a bit worrying that there seems to be a large number of people who would seemingly blindly defend the indefensible. If there was an election tomorrow I still think they’d win. I’m starting to think this isn’t the country for me and that’s not anything I’d ever have said. I know people will say this will pass but there’s still widespread support for the current government. We’re a mini USA where the very people disadvantaged by the government are going to keep getting the same government back in. 8 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
snowychap Posted May 27, 2020 Share Posted May 27, 2020 16 minutes ago, tom_avfc said: Is it just me No. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chindie Posted May 27, 2020 VT Supporter Share Posted May 27, 2020 7 minutes ago, snowychap said: No. This. There are no consequences anymore. The idea of falling on your sword no longer exists. Shame doesn't exist. And worse... This is rewarded. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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