StefanAVFC Posted June 3, 2020 Share Posted June 3, 2020 Incoming 'I dont like the Tories' despite having a monopoly on 'ah but' responses 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kuwabatake Sanjuro Posted June 3, 2020 Share Posted June 3, 2020 3 hours ago, HanoiVillan said: I think it's easy to underestimate the extent to which very large parts of the population hate hearing about politics, resent people ever bringing it up or it emerging as something they need to pay attention to, and many people in that group are probably perfectly happy with someone who seems to treat it as a bit of a joke and who will spend his time in charge doing nothing much of anything that would trouble their attention. I wonder how much influence all those old Top Gear appearances etc had in building his profile? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HanoiVillan Posted June 3, 2020 Share Posted June 3, 2020 (edited) 18 minutes ago, Kuwabatake Sanjuro said: I wonder how much influence all those old Top Gear appearances etc had in building his profile? I think they're very important, but perhaps less for the TV shows themselves than for being a part of his remarkable ability to change his outward appearance, a la the chameleon. So far he's gone from playing a bomb-throwing anti-EU columnist, to a buffoonish Tory charicature bumbling on TV, to a liberal Tory mayor, to a Brexit waverer, to a Brexit warrior, to a sort of weird alt-right adjacent English nationalist pre-election, to a wannabe national cheerleader after it. I can't think of many public figures who have managed to reinvent themselves so frequently and with such ease. Edited June 3, 2020 by HanoiVillan 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mandy Lifeboats Posted June 3, 2020 Share Posted June 3, 2020 It just gets worse for Cummings. He told everyone that he stayed at a separate cottage on his father’s farm. No planning permission was ever requested or granted for an additional cottage. Therefore either he lied or his dad breached planning laws? This saga isn’t over. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HanoiVillan Posted June 3, 2020 Share Posted June 3, 2020 3 minutes ago, Mandy Lifeboats said: It just gets worse for Cummings. He told everyone that he stayed at a separate cottage on his father’s farm. No planning permission was ever requested or granted for an additional cottage. Therefore either he lied or his dad breached planning laws? This saga isn’t over. Absolutely nothing is going to happen as a consequence of his dad not getting appropriate planning permission, come on. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mandy Lifeboats Posted June 3, 2020 Share Posted June 3, 2020 5 minutes ago, HanoiVillan said: Absolutely nothing is going to happen as a consequence of his dad not getting appropriate planning permission, come on. The Labour MP, Labour controlled council and Labour controlled planning committee may have a different view. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chrisp65 Posted June 3, 2020 Share Posted June 3, 2020 It’s really not important, it’s local admin. Apply retrospectively, if approval is denied go in to dispute for a few years. It isn’t the same as spreading Lethal contagion the length of the land collapsing the economy and killing people, whilst driving a small ill child around to see if you crash. But as I’ve said before, it’s the little stuff that will trip him up somewhere along the line. It’ll turn out he’s banned from driving or some such eventually. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StefanAVFC Posted June 3, 2020 Share Posted June 3, 2020 Absolutely ridiculous state of affairs that they all went. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stevo985 Posted June 3, 2020 VT Supporter Share Posted June 3, 2020 (edited) 32 minutes ago, StefanAVFC said: Absolutely ridiculous state of affairs that they all went. Mogg needs to be thrown in the **** sea if Sharma's test comes back positive. It also raises questions do they not even have the most basic of tests in place for attending Parliament? I don't mean Covid tests. I mean basic "Are you showing symptoms? Here let me take your temperature" We do it at the entrance to our site every day. Surely somebody showing as obvious symptoms as Sharma should be sent home immediately? Edited June 3, 2020 by Stevo985 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HanoiVillan Posted June 4, 2020 Share Posted June 4, 2020 No Recourse to Public Funds update (you'll be astonished to learn that Johnson is now pretending that he never said it would be reviewed at the Liaison Committe): Apologies for the Twitter thread, but it's an extremely important issue. People are seriously suffering because of this cruelty in the immigration legislation which his party brought in, and he promised to review why people were going hungry because they can't claim any public support during a pandemic. Now he's rowing back on it, but the hunger and the suffering isn't going away. I've said it before, but Labour need to be pushing hard on this. **** whether it polls well. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
snowychap Posted June 4, 2020 Share Posted June 4, 2020 2 minutes ago, HanoiVillan said: No Recourse to Public Funds update The bit that stood out for me, in a tweet from the JCWI (and repeated in the article linked in the last tweet above - here), was this: Quote The Joint Council for the Welfare of Immigrants (JCWI) said Mr Johnson’s latest comments suggested he still did not understand the implications of the harsh policy. Anyone who did “manage to jump through the hoops” and use the support he mentioned – by proving “actual destitution” – were then forced to wait a further 10 years to win permanent settlement, it said. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HanoiVillan Posted June 4, 2020 Share Posted June 4, 2020 3 hours ago, snowychap said: The bit that stood out for me, in a tweet from the JCWI (and repeated in the article linked in the last tweet above - here), was this: It really is absolutely disgusting, and they cannot justify it when confronted with real examples of people living it (which is why they should be forced to face the human consequences of these policies at every available opportunity). *************************************************************** In other bad news on the immigration front: This is the one who was pictured celebrating with two local far-right figures at a Brexit celebration on January 31st. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Stevo985 Posted June 4, 2020 VT Supporter Popular Post Share Posted June 4, 2020 I will never get my head around "delivering the end to freedom of movement" being a good thing. **** mental 8 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HanoiVillan Posted June 4, 2020 Share Posted June 4, 2020 I obviously knew he was local, as I remember his particular ideology being named 'Erdington Conservatism', but I notice from his Twitter profile that Nick Timothy is a Villan Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post tonyh29 Posted June 5, 2020 Popular Post Share Posted June 5, 2020 21 hours ago, DCJonah said: @tonyh29genuinely interested and not trying to be funny at all. What is it about Boris and the Tory Party that gets your support? What do you think they do well for the country and the people? My circle of friends aren't very political or if they voted tory is was more because they didn't like Corbyn than actually being fully behind Boris. And anyone on social media is just extreme. I'd genuinely be interested in hearing why you support them? To me they seem horrendous but they clearly won by a massive majority. I'm trying to understand it more. sorry for the late reply , I wanted to respond earlier but alas I've been a bit busy and there was also some shenanigans after your post which kinda made it difficult to reply , but with much mirth in mind I'll give it a go ... so , cue the laughter , but he doesn't get my support in as much as I've never voted for Johnson and I don't go about supporting him. I genuinely don't recall me having praised him (usual rules apply about the search button and I'm happy to be corrected on this ). I do respond to posts about him with a different opinion to that of the VT rabble , but that isn't the same thing as support , that me expressing my frustration with the hypocrisy of the forum. VT is shamelessly ABT , I'm not ABT ..…. whereas everyone else is an impartial person mistaken for a labour supporter , who in a lot of instances just happened to have voted labour but only cause there was no choice or was protest voting , I am just more against Labour than I am against the Tory party , though I think that's kinda obvious to all I'm not that political , I don't do it on social media , don't discuss it with friends , don't go on protest marches ,write to my MP on frivolous grounds .... I'm actually rather apathetic to everything tbh . Thankfully none of my circle of friends seem that politically inclined either , I get the impression that they like some of your friends didn't like Corbyn and voted Tory last time out , but lets face it my friends are too old to be going to Glastonbury so they were never really likely to vote for him anyway. So , if I'm not political , why am I here ? well its where the action is and it isn't with friends where an argument could have lasting repercussions so I venture in ….What I see is a very one sided topic where people pile in to anything Tory with venom ( see anyone calling labour voters Scum questioning their morals and social conscience ? ) yeah yeah I know its because Torys are scum stealing from the poor whilst cheering pay cuts for nurses and blah blah … All I did in the recent example that seemed to prompt your post , was to pose the question if Boris is such a vile , racist , hideous excuse of a human being, incompetent buffoon ..how come he keeps winning ? That isn't an endorsement of Boris to my mind , its a question ,trying to open the other eye on the forums rather myopic view. At present if I was forced to vote (which I haven't done for some time) , then I guess it would be Tory as there is no choice , but if Starmer is the new new messiah and comes up with decent policies that outweigh the ones I dislike and isn't a terrorist , then its not impossible that I could vote Labour , long as Starmer promises not to put Jess Phillips anywhere near a position of power . Why they won ? probably for another time as I'm already getting into the tldr territory , but I think it was covered before by others in the election thread at the time tbf all that said , I do like the stance Johnson has taken with Cummings , this trial by social media braying mob demanding resignations I'm not a fan of , I know others on here disagree but that conversation has been done and doesn't really need to be done again …. if nothing else it means those that haven't previously supplied evidence of me praising Johnson when asked , can now bookmark this sentence and say "See , I told you he was a Boris supporter " I hope that answers you question ? 6 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KentVillan Posted June 5, 2020 Share Posted June 5, 2020 It does annoy me a bit when the inherent "wrongness" of Boris, the Tories, right wing politics, capitalism, money, property, etc. is just taken for granted in a political conversation. Personally, I don't like Boris Johnson. I think he's an intellectual lightweight and a fraud, with no moral compass. I suspect he will go down as one of our all-time worst prime ministers. I've never voted Tory in my life. But I liked @tonyh29's post because you need honest perspectives like this in any political debate, and also because he likes Big Country. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wainy316 Posted June 5, 2020 Share Posted June 5, 2020 7 hours ago, tonyh29 said: ever voted for Johnson and I don't go about supporting him. I genuinely don't recall me having praised him (usual rules apply about the search button and I'm happy to be corrected on this ) 7 hours ago, tonyh29 said: all that said , I do like the stance Johnson has taken with Cummings That was a bit too easy and I didn't even need the search button 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stevo985 Posted June 5, 2020 VT Supporter Share Posted June 5, 2020 By “the stance Johnson has taken with Cummings” you of course mean lying about it over and over again? 1 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Genie Posted June 5, 2020 Share Posted June 5, 2020 I’ve spent a lot of time wondering how people like Boris, Trump and Farage etc get “power” and how things like Brexit get through. I’ve come to the conclusion that a lot of people seem to value “sticking it to the man” as a priority. In each case they all strongly pledge to “not be bullied by [them], whoever that is. People seem relate to that even if it’s madness. People want a leader who is going to tell “them” the days of being pushed around are over. The fact that “we” are telling “them” it’s our way or the highway seems to be what resonates with the electorate. So, yes, I’m quite pleased with myself that I’ve cracked the code. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tonyh29 Posted June 5, 2020 Share Posted June 5, 2020 7 minutes ago, Stevo985 said: By “the stance Johnson has taken with Cummings” you of course mean lying about it over and over again? for someone who understood what Chris was saying perfectly the other day , you suddenly seem to be having difficulty I made it quite clear it was about not sacking him Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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