HanoiVillan Posted August 28, 2019 Share Posted August 28, 2019 (edited) 1 hour ago, tonyh29 said: at least you’ve admitted you made one so rather than bore everyone else I’m happy with your acknowledgment of it and we can move on EDIT: I've removed that response for the sake of not wasting any moderator's time. However, you may certainly consider this conversation closed. Edited August 28, 2019 by HanoiVillan 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LondonLax Posted August 28, 2019 Share Posted August 28, 2019 4 hours ago, blandy said: I do. Me up here on my cloud thinks it's been his plan to make the EU believe that he's serious about it, that the plan is also to make MPs believe he's willing to call an election if they vote him down - knowing they don't want to lose their seats. With his aimed outcome being to get the EU to give him something that he will then take to parliament with the choice realistically being available to them to either "vote it through or no deal Brexit happens", again knowing they will then vote it through. It's obviously flawed and extremely high risk, and could lead to either the EU still deciding not to move an inch, or enough tories voting against their own party, meaning he has 2 ways of losing and one of winning. I doubt he'll get hoofed out because so many MPs see Corbyn as a terrible, at least as bad or worse than the "no deal", alternative) and think the most likely outcome by a street is a tweaked version of May's deal going through. So I see it as a high risk attempt, but one which has a decent chance of him doing what he said. This stuff today has positioned things more in his favour. No deal might happen, but only by "accident", by events he doesn't want to happen. I don’t think he would consider losing a vote of no confidence a loss as such. He’ll just set the election date for November and campaign on a populist ‘people vs the parliament’ platform. He would back himself in an election against Corbyn, even the unloved May managed that. In his mind the plan is win win. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
blandy Posted August 29, 2019 Author Moderator Share Posted August 29, 2019 13 hours ago, LondonLax said: I don’t think he would consider losing a vote of no confidence a loss as such. ..In his mind the plan is win win. I take your point, but I think win-win is overdoing it. It's clearly a significant risk for him. It's a risk in several ways. Losing a VoNC could see the end of him being PM - he could end up being remembered (and he wants to be thought of as a significant figure in history, not as an inept sidenote like May) as the shortest ever duration PM (certainly in modern times). He could lose control of the whole process, he could lose his seat in Uxbridge. The narrative and, er, momentum would quickly change if he were to lose a VoNC. It would change from "Decisive Boris Johnson, outsmarting remainers and finally sorting out Brexit" to "Clown Boris Johnson throws away his premiership with reckless gamble that backfired and left Britain to accidentally crash out of the EU due to blundering incompetence". 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StefanAVFC Posted August 29, 2019 Share Posted August 29, 2019 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ml1dch Posted August 29, 2019 Share Posted August 29, 2019 Could be a time waster, could all be nonsense, but just in case anyone is interested: https://mobile.twitter.com/number10staffer Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
peterms Posted August 29, 2019 Share Posted August 29, 2019 7 minutes ago, ml1dch said: Could be a time waster, could all be nonsense, but just in case anyone is interested: https://mobile.twitter.com/number10staffer A timewaster. Though I see someone has set up a "number 11 staffer" account to take the piss out of him, which seems a slightly better use of time. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chindie Posted August 29, 2019 VT Supporter Share Posted August 29, 2019 Johnson has always been a **** nasty piece of work, and he hasn't taken long to reveal it in No.10. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chrisp65 Posted August 29, 2019 Share Posted August 29, 2019 He has always been a compulsive liar, all his adult life. But he’s funny and posh, so he must be better than us. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chindie Posted August 29, 2019 VT Supporter Share Posted August 29, 2019 Media favourite Ruth Davidson does a runner. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Seat68 Posted August 29, 2019 Share Posted August 29, 2019 3 minutes ago, bickster said: On the one hand I think we'll that's scandalous, then on the other I think its a tory media advisor. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
peterms Posted August 29, 2019 Share Posted August 29, 2019 15 minutes ago, bickster said: Billy Big Bollocks syndrome. Like Scaramucci without the gob. How many weeks will he last? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NurembergVillan Posted August 29, 2019 Moderator Share Posted August 29, 2019 32 minutes ago, peterms said: Billy Big Bollocks syndrome. Like Scaramucci without the gob. How many weeks will he last? He's in charge. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ml1dch Posted August 29, 2019 Share Posted August 29, 2019 (edited) 54 minutes ago, bickster said: Presumably for quietly deleting this, which has been removed from the account it was posted from: Making it look even more obvious that they were doing something a bit politically iffy. Edited August 29, 2019 by ml1dch Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
peterms Posted August 29, 2019 Share Posted August 29, 2019 12 minutes ago, NurembergVillan said: He's in charge. That's what his psychiatrist tells him, at least. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
peterms Posted August 29, 2019 Share Posted August 29, 2019 11 minutes ago, ml1dch said: Making it look even more obvious that they were doing something a bit politically iffy As someone pointed out, at the same time as they were saying it was a totally normal administrative exercise, the Torygraph was leading with it in triumphal tones, as though to celebrate some kind of victory. Which is it to be? Oh, both? Yes. Yes, I see. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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cyrusr Posted August 30, 2019 VT Supporter Share Posted August 30, 2019 43 minutes ago, StefanAVFC said: Clearly has nothing better to do. Immature and petty nonsense. This is someone that is meant to be representing people’s best interests? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bickster Posted August 30, 2019 Moderator Share Posted August 30, 2019 1 hour ago, StefanAVFC said: Even his letter makes him sound like a prick. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post GarethRDR Posted August 30, 2019 Popular Post Share Posted August 30, 2019 (edited) 1 hour ago, StefanAVFC said: I'm torn. He's a total melt, but my natural inclination having heard The 1975, is not to oppose anyone going in two-footed on The 1975. Edited August 30, 2019 by GarethRDR 5 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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