chrisp65 Posted August 28, 2019 Share Posted August 28, 2019 2 minutes ago, tonyh29 said: I don't' know that anyone holds them up as super natural wunder beings I’m trying to get more World War II references in than Mark Dunkirk-Francois. It’s a losing battle. Not that we’ve ever lost a world war. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
peterms Posted August 28, 2019 Share Posted August 28, 2019 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
villa4europe Posted August 28, 2019 Share Posted August 28, 2019 ill be honest and say I still don't understand what his reasoning for suspending parliament is Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ml1dch Posted August 28, 2019 Share Posted August 28, 2019 Ruth Davidson apparently quitting as leader of the Scottish Conservatives. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
meregreen Posted August 28, 2019 Share Posted August 28, 2019 13 minutes ago, villa4europe said: ill be honest and say I still don't understand what his reasoning for suspending parliament is Johnson is proroguing Parliament to in order to run the clock down to achieve a no deal Brexit. Anything else he claims, is utter bullshit. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
villa4europe Posted August 28, 2019 Share Posted August 28, 2019 9 minutes ago, meregreen said: Johnson is proroguing Parliament to in order to run the clock down to achieve a no deal Brexit. Anything else he claims, is utter bullshit. i know that! but what has he actually claimed? whats the guise? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ml1dch Posted August 28, 2019 Share Posted August 28, 2019 Just now, villa4europe said: i know that! but what has he actually claimed? whats the guise? That Parliament has run for a long time without a new legislative agenda and needs a new Queen's speech to facilitate that. Which requires the closing of one Parliament and the introduction of another. It's just coincidence that the time out is five times as long as normal and at the very time that a majority of MPs wish to be debating legislation and the future of the UK. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HanoiVillan Posted August 28, 2019 Share Posted August 28, 2019 3 hours ago, tonyh29 said: Instead of taking the lazy route trawling for cheap likes , read what was said .. Please feel free to point out my mistake. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hippo Posted August 28, 2019 Share Posted August 28, 2019 50 minutes ago, meregreen said: Johnson is proroguing Parliament to in order to run the clock down to achieve a no deal Brexit. Anything else he claims, is utter bullshit. I wouldn't have thought anyone could dispute that. The rights and wrongs can and will be debated - but not the why. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bickster Posted August 28, 2019 Moderator Share Posted August 28, 2019 It'll be interesting to see the next few polls with the field work done after today's announcement Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bickster Posted August 28, 2019 Moderator Share Posted August 28, 2019 Not quite the poll I was looking for but... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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blandy Posted August 28, 2019 Author Moderator Share Posted August 28, 2019 51 minutes ago, hippo said: I wouldn't have thought anyone could dispute that. I do. Me up here on my cloud thinks it's been his plan to make the EU believe that he's serious about it, that the plan is also to make MPs believe he's willing to call an election if they vote him down - knowing they don't want to lose their seats. With his aimed outcome being to get the EU to give him something that he will then take to parliament with the choice realistically being available to them to either "vote it through or no deal Brexit happens", again knowing they will then vote it through. It's obviously flawed and extremely high risk, and could lead to either the EU still deciding not to move an inch, or enough tories voting against their own party, meaning he has 2 ways of losing and one of winning. I doubt he'll get hoofed out because so many MPs see Corbyn as a terrible, at least as bad or worse than the "no deal", alternative) and think the most likely outcome by a street is a tweaked version of May's deal going through. So I see it as a high risk attempt, but one which has a decent chance of him doing what he said. This stuff today has positioned things more in his favour. No deal might happen, but only by "accident", by events he doesn't want to happen. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bickster Posted August 28, 2019 Moderator Share Posted August 28, 2019 Anybody know how Boris is currently polling in Uxbridge btw? It was much more marginal in 2017 than expected and if say the LibDems and the Greens didn't stand say... it'd be bloody close Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HanoiVillan Posted August 28, 2019 Share Posted August 28, 2019 38 minutes ago, blandy said: I do. Me up here on my cloud thinks it's been his plan to make the EU believe that he's serious about it, that the plan is also to make MPs believe he's willing to call an election if they vote him down - knowing they don't want to lose their seats. With his aimed outcome being to get the EU to give him something that he will then take to parliament with the choice realistically being available to them to either "vote it through or no deal Brexit happens", again knowing they will then vote it through. It's obviously flawed and extremely high risk, and could lead to either the EU still deciding not to move an inch, or enough tories voting against their own party, meaning he has 2 ways of losing and one of winning. I doubt he'll get hoofed out because so many MPs see Corbyn as a terrible, at least as bad or worse than the "no deal", alternative) and think the most likely outcome by a street is a tweaked version of May's deal going through. So I see it as a high risk attempt, but one which has a decent chance of him doing what he said. This stuff today has positioned things more in his favour. No deal might happen, but only by "accident", by events he doesn't want to happen. I have disagreed with this analysis before, but in the interests of fairness, I should say that at least one politics watcher is sure you are right: 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tonyh29 Posted August 28, 2019 Share Posted August 28, 2019 2 hours ago, HanoiVillan said: Please feel free to point out my mistake. at least you’ve admitted you made one so rather than bore everyone else I’m happy with your acknowledgment of it and we can move on Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Davkaus Posted August 28, 2019 Share Posted August 28, 2019 2 hours ago, bickster said: Not quite the poll I was looking for but... A second vote is undemocratic, but suspending parliament is just fine. The logic of leave voting bellends. I'm done with pretending to have any respect for the opinions of Brexiteers, let's cut the country in half (ok ,you can have an extra 2%) and each go our own way. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ml1dch Posted August 28, 2019 Share Posted August 28, 2019 1 hour ago, bickster said: Anybody know how Boris is currently polling in Uxbridge btw? It was much more marginal in 2017 than expected and if say the LibDems and the Greens didn't stand say... it'd be bloody close Probably doesn't matter. If there were a hint of a lost majority then he'd be parachuted into a safe seat filled with the current target Tory demographic. Rhodesia, say. Or 1930s Munich. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bickster Posted August 28, 2019 Moderator Share Posted August 28, 2019 Just now, ml1dch said: Probably doesn't matter. If there were a hint of a lost majority then he'd be parachuted into a safe seat filled with the current target Tory demographic. Rhodesia, say. Or 1930s Munich. I'm not sure there's time if he calls the snap election everyone thinks he will. Same goes for Elmer Fudd. Do they have time to do the old switcheroo? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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