StefanAVFC Posted April 21, 2023 Share Posted April 21, 2023 The Tufton Street media (Grimes, Corcoran etc) bemoan the woke blob of the civil service for being so soft that they can't take a bit of old-fashioned tough love. Seems to be the attack line by lapdog Tory MPs too. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bickster Posted April 21, 2023 Moderator Share Posted April 21, 2023 6 minutes ago, StefanAVFC said: The Tufton Street media (Grimes, Corcoran etc) bemoan the woke blob of the civil service for being so soft that they can't take a bit of old-fashioned tough love. Seems to be the attack line by lapdog Tory MPs too. This Sophie Corcoran? Surely not? Quote Durham student and GB News pundit Sophie Corcoran claims she was bullied out of Tory party The Tab 1 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StefanAVFC Posted April 21, 2023 Share Posted April 21, 2023 All about Brexit still. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StefanAVFC Posted April 21, 2023 Share Posted April 21, 2023 Sorry for double post but commenting on one of the bootlickers... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DCJonah Posted April 21, 2023 Share Posted April 21, 2023 Is this some sort of record in terms of ministers being sacked or resigning? From a 2019 majority to what the party is now is some high level **** up. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest av1 Posted April 21, 2023 Share Posted April 21, 2023 (edited) 25 minutes ago, DCJonah said: Is this some sort of record in terms of ministers being sacked or resigning? From a 2019 majority to what the party is now is some high level **** up. I’m not sure we’ve ever had a government this bad. It almost feels like a Villa fan buying small heath just to see how much damage they can do before being run out of town. It’s staggering. Edited April 21, 2023 by av1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Genie Posted April 21, 2023 Share Posted April 21, 2023 1 minute ago, av1 said: I’m not sure we’ve ever had a government this bad. It almost feels like a Villa fan buying small heath just to see how much damage they can do before being run out of town. It’s staggering. I’d say it has improved slightly since BoJo was ushered away but it’s still down there with the worst I can recall in my living memory. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bickster Posted April 21, 2023 Moderator Share Posted April 21, 2023 He's really not going quietly Quote The people of Britain will pay the price for this Kafkaesque saga Bullying inquiry sets a precedent for officials to target ministers and will paralyse government Today, I resigned from Cabinet following an inquiry that concluded that I had abused my power by replacing a lead negotiator when I was Foreign Secretary, and as Justice Secretary had left senior officials feeling insulted on three occasions because of direct feedback. I undertook to respect the outcome and I keep my word. But this decision is flawed and sets a dangerous precedent, which will paralyse the ability of ministers to deliver for the British people. As a minister, I worked with outstanding officials and I value their contribution enormously. Equally, the British public expect ministers to exercise rigorous oversight over officials to prevent democratic mandates being unpicked, raise the game of underperforming parts of government, and prevent Whitehall from squandering taxpayers’ money. Likewise, ministers should be held to the same standards as everyone else. [...] Raab in the Torygraph (not currently paywalled) 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Chindie Posted April 21, 2023 VT Supporter Popular Post Share Posted April 21, 2023 I'd like to think you can 'rigourously' lead a team without resorting to bullying or being a clearing in the woods. In fact if you have to do that not only does it suggest you're quite a bad leader, it's counterproductive as it eventually pisses everyone off and saps morale. 7 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Spoony Posted April 21, 2023 Popular Post Share Posted April 21, 2023 The next election just can’t come soon enough… 9 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bickster Posted April 21, 2023 Moderator Share Posted April 21, 2023 I believe Raab has now used the phrase "activist civil servants" in one interview Activist SENIOR civil servants? Really? They wouldn't have got to where they are in life if they were activists Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Seat68 Posted April 21, 2023 Share Posted April 21, 2023 2 minutes ago, bickster said: I believe Raab has now used the phrase "activist civil servants" in one interview Activist SENIOR civil servants? Really? They wouldn't have got to where they are in life if they were activists I worked for civil servants at the Inland Revenue/HMRC. They barely washed let alone bring down a government minister. My mate worked for the MOD, his focus was on the best utilisation of his flexi and hiding his affair with his colleague. 1 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chrisp65 Posted April 21, 2023 Share Posted April 21, 2023 14 minutes ago, Seat68 said: I worked for civil servants at the Inland Revenue/HMRC. They barely washed let alone bring down a government minister. My mate worked for the MOD, his focus was on the best utilisation of his flexi and hiding his affair with his colleague. My mate was HMRC, not allowed to be paid o/t so they received time off in lieu. So he’d be asked to work a Sunday, which would mean he could have Monday and half of Tuesday off. Which would mean the work didn’t get done due to a net loss of half a day. So he’d be asked to work Sunday… Used it to build up enough leave to perpetually tour europe watching random lower league football. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sidcow Posted April 21, 2023 VT Supporter Share Posted April 21, 2023 2 hours ago, Chindie said: I'd like to think you can 'rigourously' lead a team without resorting to bullying or being a clearing in the woods. In fact if you have to do that not only does it suggest you're quite a bad leader, it's counterproductive as it eventually pisses everyone off and saps morale. It's pretty much universally accepted that the best managers lead and inspire rather than intimidate and browbeat. Nobody is going to die on that hill with you if you've bulldozed them into submission. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
blandy Posted April 21, 2023 Author Moderator Share Posted April 21, 2023 1 hour ago, Seat68 said: I worked for civil servants at the Inland Revenue/HMRC Yeah, I’ve worked with plenty, too. Not one remotely activist. And last Saturday I saw my old boss from maybe 10 years ago in the supermarket and she’s changed jobs. She’s now the government’s deputy chief scientific officer ( deputy to that Chris Valance man, who was doing the Covid briefings, though he’s left now), which is quite some rise. She’s not an activist either. 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mark Albrighton Posted April 21, 2023 VT Supporter Share Posted April 21, 2023 4 hours ago, DCJonah said: Is this some sort of record in terms of ministers being sacked or resigning? From a 2019 majority to what the party is now is some high level **** up. Not a definitive answer to your question but a nice little graphic to give an indication. Epic from Johnson, truly epic. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Davkaus Posted April 21, 2023 Popular Post Share Posted April 21, 2023 I absolutely hate BfB's graphs. "Should we colour each line an actual different colour to easily distinguish what each line represents at a glance?". "Nah, **** it, imperceptibly different shades of dark blue for a bunch of close lines is absolutely fine, people will need more help being reminded which party they represented" 2 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
markavfc40 Posted April 21, 2023 Share Posted April 21, 2023 The arrogant prick will get his karma next year when he loses his seat. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Seat68 Posted April 22, 2023 Share Posted April 22, 2023 I had a look at the highlights of the report on the BBC website, to me in my view unless I have missed something, or the BBC has, he doesn’t come across as a Bully, but I was not one of the people who felt they were bullied so their experience may be different. What did come across though is that as bosses go he was a complete and utter word removed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bannedfromHandV Posted April 22, 2023 Share Posted April 22, 2023 It’s Dominic Raab - did anyone need an in depth report to know he’s a dickhead? Anyone who’s taken any notice of my posts will know I have less than no time for the Tory party, however, I do think that the lines around what constitutes bullying these days are very vague. At the end of the day you can’t just be nice all the time if you’re in a leadership role, you also shouldn’t overstep the mark but where that mark sits seems to vary wildly from person to person and unfortunately, it will be taken advantage of sometimes, for whatever means. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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