KentVillan Posted July 20, 2022 Share Posted July 20, 2022 17 minutes ago, Marka Ragnos said: That sounds very persuasive to me as analysis. It's for some of the very reasons you say that I feel more nervous about Sunak as PM, as I fear he'd cave too often, and Putin and Xi Jinping, to my mind, are just getting started in their efforts to dismantle western democracies. Would Truss be better or, rather, be able to convince others that she'd be the better player in some 20th century Thatcheresque/Churchillian "on the beaches" paradigm? She seems to think so, and that's kind of weird in itself. Her sartorial homage to Maggie doesn't make her Maggie as much as Maggie Baby. Besides, would Thatcher actually be able to cope with Russia today? I have my doubts. The Falklands and Argentina, after all, aren't a neofascist nuclear-armed Russian state, working around the clock to prop up strongmen across the globe, demonize LGBGT people, and rip apart democracies. So then ... I'm back to Sunak, and I just feel like I don't trust him to fight. What's better? To accommodate Putin, or to battle him badly? Neither seems like a good situation. This is why I feel extremely worried about your PM race. Please convince me I'm full of ****. I would welcome it. If you’re a US citizen, whoever becomes PM here is largely an irrelevance tbh. It won’t have a massive impact on global events or US policy. Truss might be marginally more likely to provoke Putin into nuking the UK. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Davkaus Posted July 20, 2022 Share Posted July 20, 2022 A man who looks like he's wearing his youngest son's suit must never be PM. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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bickster Posted July 20, 2022 Moderator Share Posted July 20, 2022 24 minutes ago, Marka Ragnos said: What's better? To accommodate Putin, or to battle him badly? Neither seems like a good situation. Putin needs to be stamped on and Ukraine will do that, probably by the end of the year. Whatever the UK's input from hereon in it won't make much difference 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chindie Posted July 20, 2022 VT Supporter Share Posted July 20, 2022 Sunak is an old fashioned Tory with modern wallpaper on him pretending he's not a classic Tory. Even the headline act of his time in cabinet, the COVID schemes, he didn't want to actually do. He would be extremely bad for the country, he's a dyed in the wool rich richer trickle down peddler. You also have to question why an obscenely rich man married into an even richer family who spends considerable amounts of good time overseas is in politics. Truss is just an idiot cosplaying Thatcher and playing to all the simpering Tories who shoot ropes thinking about mumsy spanking them. 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Fun Factory Posted July 20, 2022 Share Posted July 20, 2022 2 minutes ago, Chindie said: Truss is just an idiot cosplaying Thatcher and playing to all the simpering Tories who shoot ropes thinking about mumsy spanking them. Well that's a thought that is difficult to get out of your head Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bickster Posted July 20, 2022 Moderator Share Posted July 20, 2022 6 minutes ago, The Fun Factory said: Well that's a thought that is difficult to get out of your head That’s a thought that @Dodgykneeshas taken to bed (there’s a song in here somewhere ) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dodgyknees Posted July 20, 2022 Share Posted July 20, 2022 3 minutes ago, bickster said: That’s a thought that @Dodgykneeshas taken to bed (there’s a song in here somewhere ) My wrist hurts. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
foreveryoung Posted July 20, 2022 Share Posted July 20, 2022 1 hour ago, Marka Ragnos said: Any sense of how Sunak vs. Truss are differentiated vis à vis Putin & Ukraine issues? I've not been able to figure that out, try as I might. I know, I know -- "they're both horrendous" and "complete simpletons" etc etc. But still, one of them is coming for at least a few years. Didn't Truss want Nato in Ukraine. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NurembergVillan Posted July 20, 2022 Moderator Share Posted July 20, 2022 4 hours ago, Davkaus said: Got an engineering masters don't you know. **** me she's useless. Isn't it that she was genetically engineered by her masters? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Davkaus Posted July 20, 2022 Share Posted July 20, 2022 4 hours ago, Jareth said: Dominic Cummings states Bozza wants Truss in, so that she will reliably blow up and he can sweep back into power. I wouldn't put it past the Tory members to vote him in again, maybe it gets so bad his MPs put him back on the ballot? DC probably talking shite, but it all sounds plausible given Bozza's character and his little hasta la vista exit. Can we stop lending credence to this bullshitter please? 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
snowychap Posted July 20, 2022 Share Posted July 20, 2022 58 minutes ago, bickster said: Putin needs to be stamped on and Ukraine will do that, probably by the end of the year. Really? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dodgyknees Posted July 20, 2022 Share Posted July 20, 2022 36 minutes ago, Davkaus said: Can we stop lending credence to this bullshitter please? Yip. He will say anything to get headlines. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Fun Factory Posted July 20, 2022 Share Posted July 20, 2022 48 minutes ago, Davkaus said: Can we stop lending credence to this bullshitter please? We need clear water from this to prevent a revival 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bickster Posted July 21, 2022 Moderator Share Posted July 21, 2022 8 hours ago, snowychap said: Really? Yes, in my opinion EDIT: I should qualify that. I expect Ukraine to have retaken, everything they've lost this year in that timeframe and possibly more like Donbas but probably not Crimea, which will come but later. I expect that push to start happening in the next few weeks Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LondonLax Posted July 21, 2022 Share Posted July 21, 2022 7 hours ago, Genie said: He’s the reason not to go with “you never know” isn’t he. Tried it. failed miserably. It will be Truss. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Craigyh74 Posted July 21, 2022 Share Posted July 21, 2022 11 hours ago, RussG said: Absolute state of Gary Sambrook at the far right (convenient) there, embarrassing he serves a Birmingham ward. He's my MP and an absolute tool Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
markavfc40 Posted July 21, 2022 Share Posted July 21, 2022 13 minutes ago, Craigyh74 said: He's my MP and an absolute tool He comes from a family of tools. His uncle, Ron Storer, is a Tory Councillor. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Seat68 Posted July 21, 2022 Share Posted July 21, 2022 Are Truss and Dorries friendly towards each other. I had a vision of Dorries being consigned to the back benches. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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